To the libs who believe obama's policies work

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

No links will prove anything other than what you want them to. Anything to the contrary will be either ignored or shouted against as a spin or lie. No there were no WMDs, yes the war was a joke, and no presidential change is going to fix this mess.

I didn't see you there when we built a school so that children who would never ever otherwise (especially females) have a chance at education be able to go to school. The war was not a joke to the people who were there. We did some good there. Not everything, but we did some good.

 

[maylar 10+ year member]

payton please please please tell me why we needed to be in iraq......why did we need to go to war with them? why?

Because GWB wanted revenge for 9-11. No other reason. Couldn't invade the Saudis 'cuz they're our friends.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Still trying to find a state electoral college that went against the popular vote of that state, or it's proportional allocation.

 

[ahole-ic]

Nice way to attempt and discredit what I posted.
It is not conspiracy. Not sure why you would think it is. You said you understand how things work on capital hill. I can see where some may be "blind" to the actual workings, but anyone with in the political debates typically understand them, I am used to having discussions with them. It seems my understanding and yours are different in this case.

Nice way to pompously say you have a higher understanding than me and I am ignorant. That is in fact not true. You speak in generalities and then when I scoff at you using a lot of words to say nothing at all you attempt to put me down. Laughable at best.

 

[pro-rabbit 5,000+ posts]

Still trying to find a state electoral college that went against the popular vote of that state, or it's proportional allocation.

Four times:

In 1824 Andrew Jackson received a plurality of the popular (inasmuch as we actually have records of it at that time) and the electoral vote, but was not elected President.

In 1876, Samuel Tilden beat Rutherford B. Hayes by 3% in the popular vote, and lost the EC by 1 vote -- Louisiana, Florida, and South Carolina were all extremely close, and the board appointed to examine them was composed of 7 Dems, 7 Reps, and 1 Independent; however, the Independent resigned and was replaced by a Republican, so the board ruled that all three states had voted for Hayes.

In 1888, Grover Cleveland was the incumbent President, and barely lost his home state and the election to Benjamin Harrison, who lost the popular vote by less than 1%.

And I think we all remember what happened in 2000.

In addition, there have been quite a few elections in which a few dozen thousand votes could have been switched in key states and changed the outcome of the election: Kennedy beat Nixon 303 to 219 in the EC, but got barely more than a hundred thousand popular votes more, and Nixon beat Humphrey 301 to 191, but got only half a million more votes. Nixon could have won Texas and Illinois without winning the popular vote, and Humphrey could have done the same with Missouri, New Jersey, and Ohio.

 

[MANTI5 10+ year member]

I didn't see you there when we built a school so that children who would never ever otherwise (especially females) have a chance at education be able to go to school. The war was not a joke to the people who were there. We did some good there. Not everything, but we did some good.

I said the WAR was a joke, the REASON for going was a joke. All kinds of nice things can come some time after making a mistake, doesn't change the fact a mistake was made.

 

[pro-rabbit 5,000+ posts]

Nice way to pompously say you have a higher understanding than me and I am ignorant. That is in fact not true. You speak in generalities and then when I scoff at you using a lot of words to say nothing at all you attempt to put me down. Laughable at best.

From where I sit I do. Sorry to upset you like that but truth is as it is.

You use information that is tweaked to suite your side. Others will do the same for their side. This is the basics for most debates around the political field.

Just like your video, you took a clip used out of context to make your point. That is the same as pulling a few words randomly out of a novel.

You have not debated with me one bit with the exception of saying I'm wrong and you are write with no exceptions. That only shows that you are no better then any politician.

 

[perfecxionX 10+ year member]

Recently we had a discussion and the libs laid into me regarding unemployment as well as the stimulus. It came out this week that the president has been lying about unemployment all along. From December 1, 2011 to the end of January 2012 the United States lost 2.5 million jobs...
As for the stimulus....

I don't know if you're missing the point on purpose or if you're just not capable. The president put his initiative forth for stimulus and the democrat congress (pre 2010) acted on it. The president signed it and got his stimulus package for "shovel ready jobs" etc that was designed to keep unemployment below 8%. It didn't, and so now they are lying saying they are creating jobs. My links disprove that, and the shovel ready jobs were a scam, the video proved that by obama's admission.

In your OP you discuss the recent jobs report and the stimulus as two separate subjects. You claim the US lost 2.5 million jobs in a 2 month period, which is an absurd claim not mentioned in any of the provided links (You do understand that people dropping out of the workforce is not the same as jobs lost, right?). The vituperative way you write in your posts makes it look like your much more interested in insulting and belittling people rather than having a serious discussion about something that really matters.

 

[ahole-ic]

From where I sit I do. Sorry to upset you like that but truth is as it is.

It's factually not true and you've said nothing to support it.

You use information that is tweaked to suite your side. Others will do the same for their side. This is the basics for most debates around the political field.

What was tweaked?

Just like your video, you took a clip used out of context to make your point. That is the same as pulling a few words randomly out of a novel.

I asked you to show how my statements made in the OP WERE NOT confirmed by the video. You have yet to do so, yet still think you have some magical point here. You don't. You never did.

You have not debated with me one bit with the exception of saying I'm wrong and you are write with no exceptions. That only shows that you are no better then any politician.

You've said nothing to debate. You make general statements. Say something with specificity and I'll be glad to debate it. Until then you're just a media driveby who makes attacks but says nothing with any substance of their own so that they cannot be attacked.

 

[schackel 10+ year member]

Ad hominem.

more like making it clear you are not above any of this. its OUR country and OUR president. You are talking as if you are removed from whats happening. Truth is he is in the most powerful position in the world and we have no ******* idea whta happens behind closed doors. Why do you think every president that goes into office all of the sudden can not do everything he said he wanted to do when he was running? they find out about things WE as american citizens dont need to know about. if you do not think there are extenuating circumstances to being in office then you should poke out your eyes because you are blind already. I am not saying to sit back a just hope but know that we have no idea what the hell is going on.

 

[ahole-ic]

In your OP you discuss the recent jobs report and the stimulus as two separate subjects. You claim the US lost 2.5 million jobs in a 2 month period, which is an absurd claim not mentioned in any of the provided links (You do understand that people dropping out of the workforce is not the same as jobs lost, right?). The vituperative way you write in your posts makes it look like your much more interested in insulting and belittling people rather than having a serious discussion about something that really matters.

So let me get this straight. Dropping out of the workforce has nothing to do with losing a job? I just want to make sure I understand you right. Is that what you're saying? I am very interested in defeating liberalism, and if you feel belittled that is merely your own guilt manifesting itself.

 

[wenn_du_weinst 10+ year member]

The false reason for invading iraq was bullshit, the actual act was justifiable.

I liked Bush far more then Obama. I just pray that he doesn't get reelected I'm voting for Ron Paul.

 

[ahole-ic]

more like making it clear you are not above any of this. its OUR country and OUR president. You are talking as if you are removed from whats happening. Truth is he is in the most powerful position in the world and we have no ******* idea whta happens behind closed doors. Why do you think every president that goes into office all of the sudden can not do everything he said he wanted to do when he was running? they find out about things WE as american citizens dont need to know about. if you do not think there are extenuating circumstances to being in office then you should poke out your eyes because you are blind already. I am not saying to sit back a just hope but know that we have no idea what the hell is going on.

None of this is relevant. I never excluded myself. The words I chose fit the context of the statement. It was the only thing you thought you could pick apart, so you went for it. It is not what I meant and that SHOULD be clear by reading it. Then you attacked me. You and your comments are just as meaningless.

 

[schackel 10+ year member]

None of this is relevant. I never excluded myself. The words I chose fit the context of the statement. It was the only thing you thought you could pick apart, so you went for it. It is not what I meant and that SHOULD be clear by reading it. Then you attacked me. You and your comments are just as meaningless.

you just did the same thing....//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/thumbsupwink.gif.129404938effda6ad9cca39e7f4b58a3.gif

 

[ahole-ic]

you just did the same thing....//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/thumbsupwink.gif.129404938effda6ad9cca39e7f4b58a3.gif

Explain.