Time Alignment T/A Delay, etc.

[Megalomaniac 5,000+ posts]

I got points off for my stage height //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif judge had a good foot over me

 

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

if by using the measurement method to get all speakers to act as if they are all equal distance from the listening point (like the picture shown in Alpine's manuals), why would you end up with a soundstage that looks like the one pictured above??? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

Is Alpine trying to fool us? Should you not believe everything you read? Should you believe the shit I post? Shit. I don't know what to believe anymore.

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

Well, by that rationale, we shouldn't believe our ears either because the goal, for most it seems, is to create the illusion of a high, wide and centered sound stage in the vehicle. No such thing as stereo sound in "the real world" as the shape and design of our ears suggests. You'd think that if stereo were natural, then we would have evolved ears on the front of our head to hear that illusion better, right?

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

Correct.

I'm gonna need to get some surgery to swap my eyes and ears...

nG

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

You're better off being a horse, who has ears on top of it's head that can pivot. Plus, with "prey eyes" on the side of your head, you'd have the advantage of NOT being able to see your drivers so well and therefore not be so easily fooled by the environment (ie psychoacoustics). //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

Well, by that rationale, we shouldn't believe our ears either because the goal, for most it seems, is to create the illusion of a high, wide and centered sound stage in the vehicle. No such thing as stereo sound in "the real world" as the shape and design of our ears suggests. You'd think that if stereo were natural, then we would have evolved ears on the front of our head to hear that illusion better, right?

it would difficult to hear someone sneak up behind you then.

i'm guessing the little processor we can the brain sums the signal we receive from both ears to get that effect.

 

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

You're better off being a horse, who has ears on top of it's head that can pivot. Plus, with "prey eyes" on the side of your head, you'd have the advantage of NOT being able to see your drivers so well and therefore not be so easily fooled by the environment (ie psychoacoustics). //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

that's probably why setups sound better at night or when it's dark.

psychos are running ramped in these streets.

 

[mlstrass 5,000+ posts]

that's probably why setups sound better at night or when it's dark.
psychos are running ramped in these streets.

I just close my eyes while driving //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif

 

[Vestax 10+ year member]

This thread hasn't phased James Bang one bit.

I bet if I could find the frequency response of a fart tone, it'll make him flinch.

 

[sqhertz 5,000+ posts]

joo squeerz.

maybe one day , when i have the money , time and a nice enough vehicle. i will venture into the T/A-ness and become a semi-squeer on my way to full blown squeer-dom.

yay.

 

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

I wonder if the speakers really sound like they are that far from you...

 

[stuckinok 5,000+ posts]

Lies

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

random tinkering with no structure... interesting. At least you posted. Thanks for that.

Setup for failure...
nG

Well I know which drivers need to be delayed, I just don't use any kind of formula to find out what the exact delay is supposed to be. I just delay my driver's side until I'm happy with it. I've tried every setting possible, going by incriments of .1ms. I don't care if I'm off by a couple of 10ths of what it's "supposed" to be; I have it where it's at because that's what I have found to sound best.

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

I just close my eyes while driving //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif

I close my eyes while I set my t/a //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

Oh the difference .1ms can do. I'm glad I can adjust by .05ms increments...

And post from my sidekick in LA traffic with my eyes closed.

Dangerous sq