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[thevic24 5,000+ posts]

Definitely wouldn't do heroin. May be safe for your body, but that doesn't mean it won't **** up other things in your life. Coke, crack, heroin, meth...all things I will never even touch, nor will I ever have the thought to touch.
Weed is all I need, and maybe some rolls if I go to a rave in dallas, but that's maybe once every couple months or so.

So you wont touch the other stuff but will do "rolls" which is just as, if not worse for your body??

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCoQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.drugabuse.gov%2Finfofacts%2Fecstasy.html&rct=j&q=what%20drugs%20are%20in%20extciey&ei=GiojTtrLHpK50AHLxsm_Aw&usg=AFQjCNGgP9UqRiL08V3J20pvLXnUdq7Miw&cad=rja

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fteens.drugabuse.gov%2Ffacts%2Ffacts_xtc1.php&rct=j&q=what%20drugs%20are%20in%20ecstasy&ei=MCsjTrPqFYuctwekhZS4Aw&usg=AFQjCNEC2PmC06LVR4btrP_fYj3ueHC5Lg&cad=rja

You do know that a lot of that other stuff is often added to your "rolls" dont you?

 

[IonRL205 10+ year member]

Yes but taking 1 or 2 pills every 2 or 3 months isn't very taxing on your body. I've done tons of research on rolling so I know what I'm getting into. Plus I have a test kit and I test all my pills before I take them.

Also MDMA isn't addicting compared to the other drugs I listed. Also pure MDMA is safer than alcohol...

 

[pro-rabbit 5,000+ posts]

Yes but taking 1 or 2 pills every 2 or 3 months isn't very taxing on your body. I've done tons of research on rolling so I know what I'm getting into. Plus I have a test kit and I test all my pills before I take them.

I hate to say it, but the idea that it does very minimal to your body is well...wrong. I have seen first hand tests at various pharmacology facilities that my wife was a part of. I would say miss representation of facts would be what has cluttered most of what many think is less then "harmful" to their body.

Regardless, I'm done teaching. Perhaps some of you will enter the medical field at some point and see/understand what I'm speaking of instead of your clouded judgement and ideals of the truth.

 

[thevic24 5,000+ posts]

Yes but taking 1 or 2 pills every 2 or 3 months isn't very taxing on your body. I've done tons of research on rolling so I know what I'm getting into. Plus I have a test kit and I test all my pills before I take them.
Also MDMA isn't addicting compared to the other drugs I listed. Also pure MDMA is safer than alcohol...

Sure

 

[thevic24 5,000+ posts]

Yes but taking 1 or 2 pills every 2 or 3 months isn't very taxing on your body. I've done tons of research on rolling so I know what I'm getting into. Plus I have a test kit and I test all my pills before I take them.
Also MDMA isn't addicting compared to the other drugs I listed. Also pure MDMA is safer than alcohol...

How Is MDMA Abused?



MDMA is taken orally, usually as a capsule or tablet. It was initially popular among Caucasian adolescents and young adults in the nightclub scene or at weekend-long dance parties known as raves. More recently, the profile of the typical MDMA user has changed, with the drug now affecting a broader range of ethnic groups. MDMA is also popular among urban gay males—some report using MDMA as part of a multiple-drug experience that includes marijuana, cocaine, methamphetamine, ketamine, sildenafil (Viagra), and other legal and illegal substances.

How Does MDMA Affect the Brain?



MDMA exerts its primary effects in the brain on neurons that use the chemical (or neurotransmitter) serotonin to communicate with other neurons. The serotonin system plays an important role in regulating mood, aggression, ****** activity, sleep, and sensitivity to pain. MDMA binds to the serotonin transporter, which is responsible for removing serotonin from the synapse (or space between adjacent neurons) to terminate the signal between neurons; thus MDMA increases and prolongs the serotonin signal. MDMA also enters the serotonergic neurons via the transporter (because MDMA resembles serotonin in chemical structure) where it causes excessive release of serotonin from the neurons. MDMA has similar effects on another neurotransmitter—norepinephrine, which can cause increases in heart rate and blood pressure. MDMA also releases dopamine, but to a much lesser extent.

MDMA can produce confusion, depression, sleep problems, drug craving, and severe anxiety. These problems can occur soon after taking the drug or, sometimes, even days or weeks after taking MDMA. In addition, chronic users of MDMA perform more poorly than nonusers on certain types of cognitive or memory tasks, although some of these effects may be due to the use of other drugs in combination with MDMA. Research in animals indicates that MDMA can be harmful to the brain—one study in nonhuman primates showed that exposure to MDMA for only 4 days caused damage to serotonin nerve terminals that was still evident 6 to 7 years later.1 Although similar neurotoxicity has not been shown definitively in humans, the wealth of animal research indicating MDMA’s damaging properties strongly suggests that MDMA is not a safe drug for human consumption.

 

[bubbagumper6 5,000+ posts]

I never said they're great chemicals, and there's only one chemical you use.
If you're afraid of smoking those chemicals(which is no different than smoking weed, cigarettes, etc.,), then you can put them in gelcaps and take them in pill form. If you do that, you could get by with $40 or $50. And it would last you several months. On the other hand, he was talking about smoking weed, and smoking any chemical will eventually give you cancer. Regardless, you've no idea what chemical I'm even talking about making your argument completely off. Ignorance usually pisses me off, and people being ignorant assholes pisses me off more.

Besides, these are research chemicals, to see what their effects on the body are. I don't smoke cigarettes, and after a month of daily use, I haven't felt any difference in breathing, or lung capacity, and haven't coughed anything up. Keep in mind, too, that I can smoke every day, and be high for several hours at a time, and make three grams last a week. If that was weed with a comparable price, I'd need to smoke a bowl every hour or so. That's not very nice. With this stuff, you can take one or two hits, feel it before you even breathe it out, and it lasts for an hour or more. If you want to get higher, take another one or two hits in that first hour. A bowl can last a few hours to one person.

 

[thevic24 5,000+ posts]

Yes but taking 1 or 2 pills every 2 or 3 months isn't very taxing on your body. I've done tons of research on rolling so I know what I'm getting into. Plus I have a test kit and I test all my pills before I take them.
Also MDMA isn't addicting compared to the other drugs I listed. Also pure MDMA is safer than alcohol...

Health Hazards

MDMA users may encounter problems similar to those experienced by amphetamine and cocaine users, including addiction.

MDMA damages brain serotonin neurons. Serotonin is thought to play a role in regulating mood, memory, sleep, and appetite. Recent research indicates heavy MDMA use causes persistent memory problems in humans.

Psychological effects can include confusion, depression, sleep problems, anxiety, and paranoia during, and sometimes weeks after, taking the drug.

Physical effects can include muscle tension, involuntary teeth-clenching, nausea, blurred vision, faintness, and chills or sweating. Increases in heart rate and blood pressure are a special risk for people with circulatory or heart disease.

Also, there is evidence that people who develop a rash that looks like acne after using MDMA may be risking severe side effects, including liver damage, if they continue to use the drug.

MDMA-related fatalities at raves have been reported. The stimulant effects of the drug, which enable the user to dance for extended periods, combined with the hot, crowded conditions usually found at raves can lead to dehydration, hyperthermia, and heart or kidney failure.

 

[IonRL205 10+ year member]

I hate to say it, but the idea that it does very minimal to your body is well...wrong. I have seen first hand tests at various pharmacology facilities that my wife was a part of. I would say miss representation of facts would be what has cluttered most of what many thing is less then "harmful" to their body.
Regardless, I'm done teaching. Perhaps some of you will enter the medical field at some point and see/understand what I'm speaking of instead of your clouded judgement and ideals of the truth.

I'm not saying it's not hurting your body, but taking good clean pills with months breaks isn't as bad as people make it seem to be. You're doing more harm from drinking than rolling. And most of these cases of people getting hurt/killed from rolling is because the pills have other stuff in them.

Health Hazards
MDMA users may encounter problems similar to those experienced by amphetamine and cocaine users, including addiction.

MDMA damages brain serotonin neurons. Serotonin is thought to play a role in regulating mood, memory, sleep, and appetite. Recent research indicates heavy MDMA use causes persistent memory problems in humans.

Psychological effects can include confusion, depression, sleep problems, anxiety, and paranoia during, and sometimes weeks after, taking the drug.

Physical effects can include muscle tension, involuntary teeth-clenching, nausea, blurred vision, faintness, and chills or sweating. Increases in heart rate and blood pressure are a special risk for people with circulatory or heart disease.

Also, there is evidence that people who develop a rash that looks like acne after using MDMA may be risking severe side effects, including liver damage, if they continue to use the drug.

MDMA-related fatalities at raves have been reported. The stimulant effects of the drug, which enable the user to dance for extended periods, combined with the hot, crowded conditions usually found at raves can lead to dehydration, hyperthermia, and heart or kidney failure.

You may or may not become addicted, I know I'm not.

That says heavy use. Taking 1 or 2 pills with months in between is not heavy use.

You should be able to fall asleep right after you come down off of clean pills. If you're having sleep problems, the pills have speed (more meth) in them, and are not pure.

Well if you have heart disease, you probably shouldn't be rolling in the first place.

Never heard about having a rash, so have no comment on that.

Deaths at raves do happen, there was a death at EDC i went to earlier this year. But it's the people's fault for not staying hydrated, you know it's gonna get hot, so you should always have a bottle of water with you. I made sure I had one with me at all times. If you are getting hot, you should leave the area you're at.

 

[thevic24 5,000+ posts]

Sorry to be "off topic" with this but....

That pic just made me piss my slef...

 

[thevic24 5,000+ posts]

I'm not saying it's not hurting your body, but taking good clean pills with months breaks isn't as bad as people make it seem to be. You're doing more harm from drinking than rolling. And most of these cases of people getting hurt/killed from rolling is because the pills have other stuff in them.

Show some REPUTABLE proof that drinking is worse for you.

So by saying that doing some "clean" "rolls" once every few months is ok, well then doing some "clean" coke or the horse should be fine as well then.

By the way, just because you "test" these pills before you use them, dosnt mean they still wont fuck up other things in your life.

 

[IonRL205 10+ year member]

Show some REPUTABLE proof that drinking is worse for you.
So by saying that doing some "clean" "rolls" once every few months is ok, well then doing some "clean" coke or the horse should be fine as well then.

By the way, just because you "test" these pills before you use them, dosnt mean they still wont fuck up other things in your life.

I'll have to look around, it was either on the bluelight forums or off of erowid, I read it a couple years ago. And I don't do coke and that stuff because it's highly addicting compared to rolling, and that stuff DOES **** your life up.

Rolling can **** up your life, if you let it control you, and don't get me wrong, I don't condone people to do it nor do I plan on doing it much longer, if at all. Actually, I've had alcohol do more harm in my life than any other drug. I never ****ed anything up from rolls, drinking is a whole different story lol

 

[thevic24 5,000+ posts]

I'll have to look around, it was either on the bluelight forums or off of erowid, I read it a couple years ago. And I don't do coke and that stuff because it's highly addicting compared to rolling, and that stuff DOES **** your life up.
Rolling can **** up your life, if you let it control you, and don't get me wrong, I don't condone people to do it nor do I plan on doing it much longer, if at all. Actually, I've had alcohol do more harm in my life than any other drug. I never ****ed anything up from rolls, drinking is a whole different story lol

Like I said, reputable souses.

The only thing that make these drugs addictive is the personality of the person using them.

Its funny, I have done coke in the past.....didn't fuck up anything for me but then again I do have enough will power to not let anything like that happen.

 

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"Rolling can **** up your life, if you let it control you,"

This goes for ANY and ALL drugs:fyi:

 

[IonRL205 10+ year member]

Like I said, reputable souses. The only thing that make these drugs addictive is the personality of the person using them.

Its funny, I have done coke in the past.....didn't fuck up anything for me but then again I do have enough will power to not let anything like that happen.

 

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"Rolling can **** up your life, if you let it control you,"

This goes for ANY and ALL drugs:fyi:

Well on Erowid, they give links to the sources of the info. I would have to look and find it since I read it a couple years ago.

And I am the same, I have the willpower to not let drugs control me. I just roll so I that I have fun and enjoy my night, not to try and get as ****ed up as I can.

 

[TheUnderFighter 10+ year member]

How's everyone feeling this morning?! Well it's probably later after noon for the rest of you... but its Noon here, I just woke up, and feel like a million bucks.

 

[05fronty 5,000+ posts]

what was it? gone for a day with the family at eureka springs