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[pro-rabbit 5,000+ posts]

I reread what one of your last posts said about not being an issue or harmful for chemical levels in your brain to be altered by an outside source. This is not true, all though I wish it were.

Here you are delving more into psychology rather then medical. In this field there are a wide range of various case studies that show that any altercation from normal chemical levels is very dangers to the subject. Dopamine is especial dangers to alter. There are a few major studies that conclude with some very serious findings. The major findings are this: If a subject uses a chemical to alter their dopamine level which would increase "bliss or happiness", the subject at a later time is more subjective to depression. The cause is because with out the use of an outside chemical to raise the level of dopamine to reach this state they become more easily depressed as they know they can "feel better" but they are not naturally able to reproduce that condition.

This is why depression is very very dangerous. Even a subject that is on medication to alter there chemical balance to reduce symptoms, they are now more likely to have severe symptoms if they fail to take the medication as needed.

Also, this is very subjective to each person. If a person is even mildly depressed then uses and outside chemical(drug or other) to "feel better" or "get high" they have a higher probability of becoming addicted or committing ******* from the "down" side of being so "high".

If you have done the research as you say have(which I'm you sure you have done), you have know that the research is very subjective to each and every person and all results will very, and to say with a blind eye that the issues which you discuss are "not harmful" is very dangerous on an open forum where some readers will not know any better and could wind up a drug addict or dead from those very statements.

Again, I am not judging any one and I don't care if you use what ever it is you use. I just don't see the reason to take those chances when your life is literally on the line. Just because other countries have religious beliefs around drugs does not make them any better. Many other religions believe in ******* bombing but your not doing that.

I'm not trying to be an a** but spilling out information with out all the facts can be very dangerous to many people.

 

[thevic24 5,000+ posts]

If I'm the other dude, then my argument is far more complex than chemicals in drug B are okay. Still, I understand where you're coming from.
Pro-rabbit -- Cool. I'm really not trying to be an asshole or anything.

I was just making a "funny" and was not really poking at any one person......

and yes, I did get lost somewhere...

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

I have depression, anxiety, insomnia, and for a while was misdiagnosed with adhd. I was on 8 medications at one time. Been to the bottom, the worst time of my life was right after that. I know exactly what you are talking about rabbit.

Many people use alcohol, weed, whatever to an extent where they can't be without it. They try to hide their problems but letting the drugs ignore it for them. I don't do that. I just like to have some fun every now and then.

 

[pro-rabbit 5,000+ posts]

I have depression, anxiety, insomnia, and for a while was misdiagnosed with adhd. I was on 8 medications at one time. Been to the bottom, the worst time of my life was right after that. I know exactly what you are talking about rabbit.
Many people use alcohol, weed, whatever to an extent where they can't be without it. They try to hide their problems but letting the drugs ignore it for them. I don't do that. I just like to have some fun every now and then.

I have been diagnosed with depression as well as ADHD. I have to take medication to maintain a daily life style and I will have to for the rest of my life. Luckily for you being so young you have a chance that your brain will alter its chemical balance and you will able to no need any medication(I hope this happened or will happen for you). However, the older you get the less and less likely it is for the happen. That is why Psychology is my minor(if you want to call it that, I will be receiving a bachelors this year in it).

Like I said, I judge no one for what they do. I just hope that anyone I know will not find them self on the worse side of what they are doing. I have many friends that have been involved with various drugs and I hate to see what many of them have live through now.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

People get caught up in a life style. They have no respect for drugs. I have a huge respect, that's why my frequency with getting high/drunk is little.

 

[jtomsic 5,000+ posts]

People get caught up in a life style. They have no respect for drugs. I have a huge respect, that's why my frequency with getting high/drunk is little.

it is very easy to get caught up in that lifestyle , i was on drugs bad for about 2 1/2 years, ruined my relationship with the girl i was going to marry because i wanted to quit and she didn't.. i always thought i could never get hooked on drugs and thought people that did were weak but it happens really fast... i went from just trying it(never did a drug besides weed til i was 20), to doing it occasionally, to i had to have it everyday. I spent so much money on drugs its sickening to be honest. the depression once you are on drugs makes you keep using is the worst part, you are depressed using drugs but you want the drugs to help with feeling depressed(retarded i know but thats how it works.) that and the thrill of finding the drugs and getting them becomes part of your life and is as addicting as the drugs themselves to be honest.. i was lucky that i had a decent job and never had to steal/do anything crazy for drugs but i know alot of people get in way over their head and end up having legal problems from doing drugs.. i did however end up having financial problems(worst depression) and that was when i finally got my **** together.. i try to keep myself busy and mind off stuff by going to the gym and having a hobby like car audio seems to help with the depression and keepin my mind off other things.

 

[MisterDeadeye 10+ year member]

I reread what one of your last posts said about not being an issue or harmful for chemical levels in your brain to be altered by an outside source. This is not true, all though I wish it were.
Here you are delving more into psychology rather then medical. In this field there are a wide range of various case studies that show that any altercation from normal chemical levels is very dangers to the subject. Dopamine is especial dangers to alter. There are a few major studies that conclude with some very serious findings. The major findings are this: If a subject uses a chemical to alter their dopamine level which would increase "bliss or happiness", the subject at a later time is more subjective to depression. The cause is because with out the use of an outside chemical to raise the level of dopamine to reach this state they become more easily depressed as they know they can "feel better" but they are not naturally able to reproduce that condition.

This is why depression is very very dangerous. Even a subject that is on medication to alter there chemical balance to reduce symptoms, they are now more likely to have severe symptoms if they fail to take the medication as needed.

Also, this is very subjective to each person. If a person is even mildly depressed then uses and outside chemical(drug or other) to "feel better" or "get high" they have a higher probability of becoming addicted or committing ******* from the "down" side of being so "high".

If you have done the research as you say have(which I'm you sure you have done), you have know that the research is very subjective to each and every person and all results will very, and to say with a blind eye that the issues which you discuss are "not harmful" is very dangerous on an open forum where some readers will not know any better and could wind up a drug addict or dead from those very statements.

Again, I am not judging any one and I don't care if you use what ever it is you use. I just don't see the reason to take those chances when your life is literally on the line. Just because other countries have religious beliefs around drugs does not make them any better. Many other religions believe in ******* bombing but your not doing that.

I'm not trying to be an a** but spilling out information with out all the facts can be very dangerous to many people.

Well, I wasn't trying to go to into psychological studies. I understand what you're saying though. The thing I'm trying to get across is that using an external force(ie., drug) to alter the chemical levels in your brain by itself isn't indicative of, and doesn't always ensure depression or whatever else may happen. I know things are not as simple as saying, "It's not possible to be depressed from using drugs." That's not what I'm even trying to say. It's certainly possible for people to become psychologically dependent on drugs, but they can also become psychologically dependent on almost everything, including food, puking, licking chalk, chewing thumbnails, etc. That's why I wasn't trying to make the discussion psychological, which is why I didn't want to talk about addiction.

I was trying to show that drugs aren't always bad, which you said in your first post.

Use of any chemical or drug other then needed(and some cases even as needed) is harming your body.

The subjective to each person thing I understand completely, and completely agree. I'm sure I've got problems, and haven't had the guts to ever go to a therapist/psychiatrist, whatever, to find out. Chemical imbalances are very serious issues, but you need to realize that some people(there are a lot of us, and some/most are products of academia with different degrees, devoting their lives to finding out exactly what happens when you take a drug, and exactly how it effects your mind in relation to brain chemistry, etc.) take drugs for reasons other than filling some void, or numbing themselves, or hiding problems, etc.

And I know you weren't saying that everyone takes drugs for bad reasons, but you WERE saying that all drugs are bad, or harmful to your body, which simply isn't true. I'm not arguing that necessarily every drug is good, or that they help your body(some, however, have speculated that, and done research that coincides with the idea that certain illegal drugs do have a helpful effect to certain cells -- weed, for example). Of course, these tests are subjective as well. Studies have found that neurons are killed by THC in children(don't remember if they tested on actual children--not likely--or rates), but that they protected neurons in adults(again, probably rats).

I don't think the possible side effects(psychological dependency, maybe others that I haven't found to be a large enough problem to remember) are really hidden from the public or the average drug user anymore. People have the internet readily available, and most intelligent people with rational minds can research and find out what can happen, why it can happen, and finally prevent it from happening.

 

[pro-rabbit 5,000+ posts]

I agree with a lot of what your saying, but a few things.

I did say what you quoted(obviously). If you ever read the fine print behind any study there are a large amount of side effects found with in every study. Yes many may only be with in 5% of test subjects, but when you have 5-10 side effects ranging from 1-5% that adds up after a while. Those statistics are always hidden a bit better then everything else and I'm sure you have seen your fair share. This goes for just about anything that can be done with various chemicals and substances to your body/mind/blah blah..

My point was that if you do research across the board for all drugs and chemicals used for any reason by a subject you will find that 99% have various side effects and over 60% cite death as one of them(all though death is in extreme rare cases...but it is still listed).

I was also getting at regardless of legal or non-legal drugs/chemicals have similar side effects and in 70% of the cases the side effects are worse then the actual symptom they are trying to get over/rid of.

I understand many use "drugs"(if you will to simply the conversation a bit) for recreational use and only occasionally. However, that does not excuse the various reasons why 90% of them actually use them. Nor does it excuse the 50% of those who become lost with in them.

I just have a very hard time finding any rational conversation where there are more positives to any use of a "drug" prescription or not.(keep in mind that if it where not for prescription drugs my wife would have no job what so ever nor would I have a future lol). I see all the help and good many various ones can do, but I see more negatives with them all as a whole.

 

[MisterDeadeye 10+ year member]

While some of your statistics(99%? Really? Lol) seem a bit off, I see what you're saying. Every time I'm watching some commercial for some new "magic" pill, the list of side effects range from nausea to psychosis, to death. Most of the drugs approved don't really seem to have been researched enough to really understand what their effects are. Yeah, there are side effects, but how common are they? How/why do they happen? All of these companies list side effects in fine print or with a soft voice, but the fact is that there are so many harmful side effects with so many different drugs that it's hard to think that some drugs are beneficial, especially when they've been so hated for 50 years.

I really only condone the use of certain psychedelics(THC, LSD, DMT, MDMA, MDA, psilocybin, etc.,), and I only condone them if the person doing them understands what they're getting into. I certainly don't condone children using them, or people who are ignorant of their effects, and I've done a ton of research on them. I know plenty of other people have done research and studies on them(if you're interested, I can give you names of different researchers, or if I find actual links to things I've read, I'll give you that). I've actually just been buying books about this kind of thing by academic types. I've found that using these drugs occasionally, while they may be altering my state of mind and brain chemistry, don't do much else, especially anything harmful or lethal. I've experienced what people call the "afterglow" of taking too many magic mushrooms, which isn't really even an afterglow at all. It's like the color and happiness has been sucked out of your life. While that experience wasn't fun, I knew that my life wasn't threatened because I understood what can happen when you do magic mushrooms, LSD, and the like, and why it happens.

 

[Pyro_By_Nature 5,000+ posts]

Quite a little debate this thread ended up bringing out. Some of the percentages may be a little skewed but you can wrap your head around the idea. Bottom line is, we all use drugs every day in one form or another and most of them can kill us. So. . . . . . . . . .

smoke some weed, such as this golden goat I've been enjoying //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/yumyum.gif.0556df42231b304b9c995aefd13928a8.gif

 

[bgowdy 5,000+ posts]

drinking bud ice and playing nba 2k11 on xbox live seeing i aint played in a bit

 

[bgowdy 5,000+ posts]

anyone else 2k11 players

 

[05fronty 5,000+ posts]

i want a fucking hall pass

 

[pelekeliko 10+ year member]

You know, you could always smoke K2 if your connections aren't coming through. Luckily, some old hippie in my town sells some K2 he buys off of the internet(he buys it for $8/3 grams), and sells it at $20/3 grams. Price is comparable to reggie around here, and K2 is definitely more of a mental "trip" than the feel-good, life is fine weed high.
Needless to say, I've found a cheaper(in my spot), legal alternative to weed, mainly because jobs drug test and I'm trying to get "clean" until I get a decent job. If you're not interested in paying so much for the legal version, you can buy research chemicals, herbs, a scale, and some kind of evaporation tool(190 proof Everclear comes to mind, or acetone[which evaporates completely; it's safe]). If you buy it that way, you could have an ounce for ~$60-70, and it's more potent than weed. With that $60-70, you would have some of the chemical(they're actually synthetic chemicals that are made to emulate cannabinoids' effects on brain chemistry) left over.

I've been smoking K2 VERY frequently(read multiple times a day, unless I'm busy) for about a month, and my tolerance hasn't grown nearly as quickly as it does with weed, and it goes down even more quickly.

the only thing is i dont trust the chemicals they put in that stuff. stick to the all natural and just cop a 30 dollar bottle of detox if you find a job.

 

[AlterEgo99 5,000+ posts]

Well, this thread is now fucking useless. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif