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<blockquote data-quote="MisterDeadeye" data-source="post: 7403072" data-attributes="member: 611015">Well, I wasn&#039;t trying to go to into psychological studies. I understand what you&#039;re saying though. The thing I&#039;m trying to get across is that using an external force(ie., drug) to alter the chemical levels in your brain by itself isn&#039;t indicative of, and doesn&#039;t always ensure depression or whatever else may happen. I know things are not as simple as saying, &quot;It&#039;s not possible to be depressed from using drugs.&quot; That&#039;s not what I&#039;m even trying to say. It&#039;s certainly possible for people to become psychologically dependent on drugs, but they can also become psychologically dependent on almost everything, including food, puking, licking chalk, chewing thumbnails, etc. That&#039;s why I wasn&#039;t trying to make the discussion psychological, which is why I didn&#039;t want to talk about addiction.I was trying to show that drugs aren&#039;t always bad, which you said in your first post.The subjective to each person thing I understand completely, and completely agree. I&#039;m sure I&#039;ve got problems, and haven&#039;t had the guts to ever go to a therapist/psychiatrist, whatever, to find out. Chemical imbalances are very serious issues, but you need to realize that some people(there are a lot of us, and some/most are products of academia with different degrees, devoting their lives to finding out exactly what happens when you take a drug, and exactly how it effects your mind in relation to brain chemistry, etc.) take drugs for reasons other than filling some void, or numbing themselves, or hiding problems, etc.And I know you weren&#039;t saying that everyone takes drugs for bad reasons, but you WERE saying that all drugs are bad, or harmful to your body, which simply isn&#039;t true. I&#039;m not arguing that necessarily every drug is good, or that they help your body(some, however, have speculated that, and done research that coincides with the idea that certain illegal drugs do have a helpful effect to certain cells -- weed, for example). Of course, these tests are subjective as well. Studies have found that neurons are killed by THC in children(don&#039;t remember if they tested on actual children--not likely--or rates), but that they protected neurons in adults(again, probably rats).I don&#039;t think the possible side effects(psychological dependency, maybe others that I haven&#039;t found to be a large enough problem to remember) are really hidden from the public or the average drug user anymore. People have the internet readily available, and most intelligent people with rational minds can research and find out what can happen, why it can happen, and finally prevent it from happening.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MisterDeadeye, post: 7403072, member: 611015"] Well, I wasn't trying to go to into psychological studies. I understand what you're saying though. The thing I'm trying to get across is that using an external force(ie., drug) to alter the chemical levels in your brain by itself isn't indicative of, and doesn't always ensure depression or whatever else may happen. I know things are not as simple as saying, "It's not possible to be depressed from using drugs." That's not what I'm even trying to say. It's certainly possible for people to become psychologically dependent on drugs, but they can also become psychologically dependent on almost everything, including food, puking, licking chalk, chewing thumbnails, etc. That's why I wasn't trying to make the discussion psychological, which is why I didn't want to talk about addiction. I was trying to show that drugs aren't always bad, which you said in your first post. The subjective to each person thing I understand completely, and completely agree. I'm sure I've got problems, and haven't had the guts to ever go to a therapist/psychiatrist, whatever, to find out. Chemical imbalances are very serious issues, but you need to realize that some people(there are a lot of us, and some/most are products of academia with different degrees, devoting their lives to finding out exactly what happens when you take a drug, and exactly how it effects your mind in relation to brain chemistry, etc.) take drugs for reasons other than filling some void, or numbing themselves, or hiding problems, etc. And I know you weren't saying that everyone takes drugs for bad reasons, but you WERE saying that all drugs are bad, or harmful to your body, which simply isn't true. I'm not arguing that necessarily every drug is good, or that they help your body(some, however, have speculated that, and done research that coincides with the idea that certain illegal drugs do have a helpful effect to certain cells -- weed, for example). Of course, these tests are subjective as well. Studies have found that neurons are killed by THC in children(don't remember if they tested on actual children--not likely--or rates), but that they protected neurons in adults(again, probably rats). I don't think the possible side effects(psychological dependency, maybe others that I haven't found to be a large enough problem to remember) are really hidden from the public or the average drug user anymore. People have the internet readily available, and most intelligent people with rational minds can research and find out what can happen, why it can happen, and finally prevent it from happening. [/QUOTE]

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