The Official 15a Thread To End All Controversy

[maniackilla 10+ year member]

make excuses all day, althou ED may make good equipment ..... if peoples subs are blowing all the time and the subs werent manufactured right to begin with to hold what the company spec'd ..... well thats just plain shitty to me. maybe that will change.

what if legacy amps just have te,porary problems with being underrated .... plz people keep buying them, they will get better . ahahaha

 

[limitkid7 5,000+ posts]

make excuses all day, althou ED may make good equipment ..... if peoples subs are blowing all the time and the subs werent manufactured right to begin with to hold what the company spec'd ..... well thats just plain shitty to me. maybe that will change.
what if legacy amps just have te,porary problems with being underrated .... plz people keep buying them, they will get better . ahahaha

ED - hummm, i just aint a fan

 

[Warbleed 10+ year member]

make excuses all day, althou ED may make good equipment ..... if peoples subs are blowing all the time and the subs werent manufactured right to begin with to hold what the company spec'd ..... well thats just plain shitty to me. maybe that will change.
what if legacy amps just have te,porary problems with being underrated .... plz people keep buying them, they will get better . ahahaha

That's not what happened. NOTHING did not meet specification, the glue joint just proved to be far more troublesome than anticipated, and the problem wasn't exposed during testing.

That's a FAR cry from deceptive specifications.

At least be rational about it. Lastly, people's subs blowing "all the time"? Have you not been paying attenion? They HAVEN'T been blowing all the time, or even MOST of the time, or even very much at all with respect to the number of drivers shipped out. You are a victim of the sensationalist environment created by all the misinformation and ignorance that seems to abound regarding this and many other subjects.

Remember that perception and reality are two different things, and what you said is the former, rather than the latter...

 

[SPLThunder 10+ year member]

That's not what happened. NOTHING did not meet specification, the glue joint just proved to be far more troublesome than anticipated, and the problem wasn't exposed during testing.
That's a FAR cry from deceptive specifications.

At least be rational about it. Lastly, people's subs blowing "all the time"? Have you not been paying attenion? They HAVEN'T been blowing all the time, or even MOST of the time, or even very much at all with respect to the number of drivers shipped out. You are a victim of the sensationalist environment created by all the misinformation and ignorance that seems to abound regarding this and many other subjects.

Remember that perception and reality are two different things, and what you said is the former, rather than the latter...

Woop-di-doo what does it all mean Bazzle?

 

[cobra65427289 10+ year member]

if you ask me you should make at thread about this at soundillusions.net. they have a specific elemental designs forum. good and bad things are to be heard there.

al

 

[BumpinDoug 10+ year member]

That's not what happened. NOTHING did not meet specification, the glue joint just proved to be far more troublesome than anticipated, and the problem wasn't exposed during testing.
That's a FAR cry from deceptive specifications.

At least be rational about it. Lastly, people's subs blowing "all the time"? Have you not been paying attenion? They HAVEN'T been blowing all the time, or even MOST of the time, or even very much at all with respect to the number of drivers shipped out. You are a victim of the sensationalist environment created by all the misinformation and ignorance that seems to abound regarding this and many other subjects.

Remember that perception and reality are two different things, and what you said is the former, rather than the latter...

Hey, stop dissin the thread. You are the one not making sense. What better way is there to end the controversy about this sub than to ask everyone who has owned one of these subs in these message forums if they have had troubles? The fact is, 9 people had these subs, 5 people's subs broke. THATS REALITY. You dont make any sense, these are real people with real subs blown. I know that in order to get a truly accurate number youd have to ask everyone who has one....so if you wanna do that go ahead. Rangerman even said that he has known 8 people with these subs and only one of them didnt have any problems. Is that enough "reality" for you too? Im just trying tog et to the bottom of this, if you wanna live in your fantasy world where numbers dont exist and everyone is happy with their subs and nothing ever goes wrong....go ahead. This thread is about the truth....now keep the responses coming if you own a 15A...

 

[RangerMan Premium Member]

I know way more than 8 people that have had an A series. Only 20-25 percent of the people I know that were not abusing them ever had a problem.

 

[zane 10+ year member]

In plain English for those that have not caught it yet:

The relatively small number of issues that have arisen with the A Series, is just that. Small. In comparison with the number of A's sold - a majority do not have this problem under non-abusive situations.

A weakness was discovered in the glue - AFTER initial testing. Meaning, that the issue was not know to eD during production.

This rules out design flaw.

View it in more terms of a recall. Ben and the rest of eD have always stood behind their products better than most other companies I have seen in all my years in this industry. eD goes the extra mile, and then some. This is saying a lot for a company of their size, and relative newness to the industry.

Warranty covers any issue that may arise from the now known glue problem.

eD has now also corrected this to my understanding.

Warbleed's observations are totally correct.

To put this another way,

You always hear about the 5 woofers that have a minor issue out of the 10,000 good ones.

Pretty clear to me that there is no deception going on here, and what is relative is that far less, rather than far more A's have had any issues.

Re-read Warbleed's previous posts a few times if this is still not obvious.

take it easy,

-zane

 

[namster44 10+ year member]

I haven't personally seen one blown VC from any A series, or even heard of that happening. The VC's can take tons, well maybe 2kw or so and not blow....but this isn't going to happen for a few of us who had the glue come off. eD fixed this problem, and that's all there is to it. I got a bad one, but you don't hear me whinning about 1 sub, outta eleventy billion....

 

[Warbleed 10+ year member]

In plain English for those that have not caught it yet:
The relatively small number of issues that have arisen with the A Series, is just that. Small. In comparison with the number of A's sold - a majority do not have this problem under non-abusive situations.

A weakness was discovered in the glue - AFTER initial testing. Meaning, that the issue was not know to eD during production.

This rules out design flaw.

View it in more terms of a recall. Ben and the rest of eD have always stood behind their products better than most other companies I have seen in all my years in this industry. eD goes the extra mile, and then some. This is saying a lot for a company of their size, and relative newness to the industry.

Warranty covers any issue that may arise from the now known glue problem.

eD has now also corrected this to my understanding.

Warbleed's observations are totally correct.

To put this another way,

You always hear about the 5 woofers that have a minor issue out of the 10,000 good ones.

Pretty clear to me that there is no deception going on here, and what is relative is that far less, rather than far more A's have had any issues.

Re-read Warbleed's previous posts a few times if this is still not obvious.

take it easy,

-zane

Oh my god, a rational person, I am shocked...

 

[jlaine 10+ year member]

Hey, stop dissin the thread. You are the one not making sense. What better way is there to end the controversy about this sub than to ask everyone who has owned one of these subs in these message forums if they have had troubles? The fact is, 9 people had these subs, 5 people's subs broke. THATS REALITY. You dont make any sense, these are real people with real subs blown. I know that in order to get a truly accurate number youd have to ask everyone who has one....so if you wanna do that go ahead. Rangerman even said that he has known 8 people with these subs and only one of them didnt have any problems. Is that enough "reality" for you too? Im just trying tog et to the bottom of this, if you wanna live in your fantasy world where numbers dont exist and everyone is happy with their subs and nothing ever goes wrong....go ahead. This thread is about the truth....now keep the responses coming if you own a 15A...

I fail to see the truth in any of this nonsensical bologna here lately...

The thread is absolutely asinine in it's attempt to 'expose the reality' behind the 15A. What you have here is a little niche of people that had initial production runs which in and of itself are always prone to issues, as what happens out in the *real world* doesn't/cannot/will not be accurately reproduced on the *test bench.*

Seeing as how rangerman already popped in here and set you straight, and how you don't posess the production reports on the elemental lines, you have failed to ascertain any useful information, as your attempts at collecting statistics are flawed. They are flawed because you have absolutely no ability to collect the full reports of drivers sold vs. drivers returned - they are not available to the public, and never will be I'm sure.

Until you have the full picture, it'd be best for you to stop trying to sell it as completed artwork...

 

[drkodin 10+ year member]

lol, Warbleed i feel for you.

guys, remember the first rule of gossip, if something goes wrong you tell 30 people, if it goes right you tell 5. I have a friend who has 2 12A (granted they aren't the 15", but i'm just trying to show you that it isn't design flaw). He beats the holy hell out of those subs, day in and day out, and they keep right on going with zero problems.

The flaw in the 15" was with the glue, and this couldn't be known until after they were mass produced and shipped. "But ED is supposed test them" you will probably say, yet in reality the number of 15As that had problems was minimal, so the chances of them abuse testing one of the bad ones was very slim.

ED is taking care of the problem and its customers, so why do people still complain, i just dont get it.