The new mag is xbl :D

[J31Rob 5,000+ posts]

No, Nick is using an "enclosed motor" type basket. This acts as a huge heat-sink, which is the primary reason for it's use. It'll look pretty sharp //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Can't wait to see this.. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[bass_lover1 10+ year member]

Having used an XXX and a Brahma in the house before a few years ago, I can tell you from personal experience that I had no problems with either...the Brahma in particular.
I'm not saying that what you are hearing is wrong, just that people are misunderstanding what the cause is....it's not the motor topology at all. If you believe that it is directly related to the fact it is XBL^2, then what do you propose causes this problem?

Let's not write the Mag off for trying to go the lower distortion route. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

I think people tag the iffy upper frequency response of maybe one or two xbl implemented drivers, and assume they are all the same, which I can say I'm one of them. I don't think the general public would dig any deeper than that to figure out a reason why.

Well, since I'll probably never use a Mag, I'm gonna write it off //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif. Not because of performance, but they've always been a bit on the expensive side, to a point where I can't justify spending that amount of money on a speaker that covers such a minimal range in the grand spectrum of things.

I love seeing motors that use faraday rings, it usually would lead one to believe that they are leaning more towards the SQ side of things, and for that I give them a big thumbs up.

 

[lilmaniac2 5,000+ posts]

The real issue at hand is when do i get to see/play with it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
And why hasnt nick called me in months, //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crying.gif.ec0ebefe590df0251476573bc49e46d8.gif:crying://content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crying.gif.ec0ebefe590df0251476573bc49e46d8.gif

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[newusername 10+ year member]

Ok, my most important point I want to make is this:

It is not the topology that matters in the end. At all. It's cool from an engineering standpoint, but the end product is a result of the implementation.

As an example, it has been said over and over and over that the LMS approach from TC Sounds means high inductance....but the LMS-5400 has lower inductance than ANY XBL^2 sub I have seen. So does that mean that LMS is always better than XBL^2? No, it just means that TC Sounds applied a healthy dose of copper and their implementation was better (and also more expensive).

Remember: implementation of technology is the key.

 

[SocMunky 10+ year member]

No, Nick is using an "enclosed motor" type basket. This acts as a huge heat-sink, which is the primary reason for it's use. It'll look pretty sharp //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Hmm, I'll be interested to see it. I for one liked the look of the new baskets, and the advantages they brought. Still, I have yet to see the new bm's, so I'm not exactly crushed or anything.....is this change going to push back the release date of the sub any?

Edit: Also, due to the now aforementioned licensing fees, how will it affect the projected price of the sub?

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

Can't wait to see this.. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Nick is working to reduce all types of compression and distortion:

1) BL compression by using a linear motor topology

2) Thermal compression by making it more efficient, coating the pole with copper for thermal transfer, and using the enclosed basket as a heatsink.

3) Inductance related effects by taking down inductance by 300% (shorter coil, copper coated pole)

4) Optimized surround and spider for less suspension related parameter shifts and distortion

And various other tweaks here and there //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Lots of thought went into this design to make it extremely low distortion while keeping weight and depth down.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

Enough technical talk, Jacob.

When can I buy one?

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[sundownz Pro Seller]

Enough technical talk, Jacob.
When can I buy one?

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I dunno, I hope soon //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[J31Rob 5,000+ posts]

Nick is working to reduce all types of compression and distortion:
1) BL compression by using a linear motor topology

2) Thermal compression by making it more efficient, coating the pole with copper for thermal transfer, and using the enclosed basket as a heatsink.

3) Inductance related effects by taking down inductance by 300% (shorter coil, copper coated pole)

4) Optimized surround and spider for less suspension related parameter shifts and distortion

And various other tweaks here and there //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Lots of thought went into this design to make it extremely low distortion while keeping weight and depth down.

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omfg.

Have any idea what the new design will retail for?

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif
omfg.

Have any idea what the new design will retail for?

Same or less than the old design... I believe Nick has decided to return to direct sales, that would mean quite a bit less than the old design.

 

[lilmaniac2 5,000+ posts]

Yay

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

Oh, don't tease like that!

 

[bass_lover1 10+ year member]

Nick is working to reduce all types of compression and distortion:
1) BL compression by using a linear motor topology

2) Thermal compression by making it more efficient, coating the pole with copper for thermal transfer, and using the enclosed basket as a heatsink.

3) Inductance related effects by taking down inductance by 300% (shorter coil, copper coated pole)

4) Optimized surround and spider for less suspension related parameter shifts and distortion

And various other tweaks here and there //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Lots of thought went into this design to make it extremely low distortion while keeping weight and depth down.

On paper, it appears that it will be a very well performing driver, but since not many have had the chance to play with them, I'm still waiting on that.

Again, I give the guys over at SI a thumbs up for designing a more SQ oriented driver, I think it's cool to see drivers like this, since there seems to a shortage of drivers that have a concern for quality sound reproduction, amidst the large majority of this industry that wants loud first.

 

[azbass 5,000+ posts]

Right, however it seems there are some out there that all agree on the same thing, comparatively it has no output above 63hz. Don't get me wrong the XXX was a low end monster, but when my mids have more output from 63-80hz than my 15" xxx, it's lacking something.

why would you want a sub woofer with a deep low end, have a lot of output so high? that your mids can take care of?

I extended my mids as loooow as I could, I mean past 60hz and my brahma 15 did it's work lower then that. it blended, and sounded great.

 

[dragnix 5,000+ posts]

You can mess up the response of any sub with a huge box -- I'm pretty sure that anyone buying a Mag isn't going to make that mistake. Nick has purposely made this sub more of an SQ sub and less of an SPL sub than the old Mag.

this makes me more excited about picking up an old mag //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/naughty.gif.94359f346c0f1259df8038d60b41863e.gif