The infamous W7

[T9X 10+ year member]

How about we take all this SQ and SPL talk over to my Soundstream Rubicon thread and maybe you can give me some input while you're there. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[jujumantb 10+ year member]

Again, you fail to comprehend. That's no problem though....
You say you're done, but yet you keep typing //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif

And no, I am not wrong....physics tells me I'm right.

Read my edit, I'm out.

Anyways, I only came into this thread to stir up some actual thinking about what was being argued about. My goal was exaggeration and to try and knock some sense into you guys. Succeeded in a few, squeak was too busy trying to put his penor in his ashole to get it, but you cant win em all. Have fun with the scraps of this thread boys, g'night //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Beat_Dominator 5,000+ posts]

Fighting makes baby Jesus cry :-(

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

Read my edit, I'm out.
Anyways, I only came into this thread to stir up some actual thinking about what was being argued about. My goal was exaggeration and to try and knock some sense into you guys. Succeeded in a few, squeak was too busy trying to put his penor in his ashole to get it, but you cant win em all. Have fun with the scraps of this thread boys, g'night //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

If your goal was to ignorantly spread false information....then you succeeded.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

no SQ sub would have 30-whatever mm of excursion, simple as that.

Why not? And more to the point, how does having "30-whatever mm of excursion" negatively impact SQ?

 

[chubby 10+ year member]

edited.....

man, talk about getting PMS during the wee hours of the night //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[chubby 10+ year member]

oh, and while your heralded arguement that SQ in subbass frequencies is difficult to distinguish may carry some truth, it has nothing to do with the actual argument of distortion, accuracy, and SQ, as all of this does not have to be verified by the human ear, as we have countless programs, signal processors and analyzers which say all of this is true, that the w7 is superior in every facet to your hypothetical """13mm SQ""" sub "that has some distortion but you cant hear it".

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

While distortion in the subbass region is harder to hear, its not inaudible by any means. Even BL distortion, which is basically what's being discussed here, is certainly audible. Listen to a sub that's BL optimized, then one that isn't, and tell me you don't hear a difference. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[cjjackson85 5,000+ posts]

This thread sure got off topic...

 

[chubby 10+ year member]

While distortion in the subbass region is harder to hear, its not inaudible by any means. Even BL distortion, which is basically what's being discussed here, is certainly audible. Listen to a sub that's BL optimized, then one that isn't, and tell me you don't hear a difference. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

totally agree

 

[jujumantb 10+ year member]

Chubby, good job acting like a child on the internet //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif

You completely missed my point, I will not state it again, feel free to go read it again with a parent, or dont, I honestly really dont care. You have alot to learn my young friend and with experience, and maturity, I trust you will be a wealth of information.

squeak:

I'm just playin around a bit //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif You will not find one piece of false info in any of my posts here, this whole thread is about opinion about what SQ is, not facts, thats what I was trying to get across.

audioholic:

Agreed, of course you can hear distortion in subbass, it just takes ALOT of it to hear. To get that much distortion in a decent driver, you have to push it hard to its limits. With a W7, for example, even at its limits, it will have very audibly LESS distortion than a lesser driver. But since we are discussing the pure SQ element of a W7, you would never be pushing it to its limits. I challenge you to hear the difference, at SQ volumes of course, of a BL "optimized" sub and one thats not //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif (hence the reason L7s are able to win SQ comps as the subbass driver)

 

[-JB 10+ year member]

What is with the W7 lately?

Everyone seems to think its an SPL sub.

If you think it gets too loud to be an SQ sub, turn the gain down

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Agreed, of course you can hear distortion in subbass, it just takes ALOT of it to hear. To get that much distortion in a decent driver, you have to push it hard to its limits. With a W7, for example, even at its limits, it will have very audibly LESS distortion than a lesser driver. But since we are discussing the pure SQ element of a W7, you would never be pushing it to its limits. I challenge you to hear the difference, at SQ volumes of course, of a BL "optimized" sub and one thats not //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif (hence the reason L7s are able to win SQ comps as the subbass driver)

I agree, but if you wont hear the differences between these drivers at SQ volumes, why are W7's and other large excursion drivers being labeled non-SQ subs?

 

[Naxis2k1 10+ year member]

the problem is everyone gots there own take on what a SQ sub is or should be.

in jujumans case is talking about audio levels less than 100db or whatever. were i could agree that yes it would be hard to tell the diffrence between subs SQ. now in everyone else case (i think) we base a sq driver on its pure ability to have lots of output and still maintain SQ(w7). witch in all reality to me makes the most sense. If everything was base the other way tons of speakers could so be called sq drivers(just make sure you dont turn it up pass 88 db).

bottom line this shit will never get solved so why bother?

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

squeak:I'm just playin around a bit //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif You will not find one piece of false info in any of my posts here, this whole thread is about opinion about what SQ is, not facts, thats what I was trying to get across.

See....but true sound quality isn't opinionated....that's what I was trying to get across //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif While you may prefer the sound of one thing to the other, it doesn't mean your preference has better "sound quality". Sound quality is, pure and simple, the most accurate reproduction of the source. That's it. What you prefer, and what is actually the most accurate reproduction, won't necessarily always correlate....which is true. BUT, that doesn't mean that the later isn't actually more accurate than the former.

Kinda like the people who don't like the sound of extremely linear, low distortion subs like the Brahma, etc etc. They don't like it because of their personal preference (i.e. they're so used to distortion that they enjoy it). But, that doesn't change the fact that the Brahma and such are actually more accurate, and hence have better TRUE sound quality.