Normally I refrain from name calling, but you really are dense. How did it come to this??? rofl's You are one of the biggest contributors to creating the atmosphere of anti-R hype around here. People ask if they should buy a RE or a TB, you reply with Type R. Someone asks if they should buy an IDMax or a Matrix Elite, you reply with Type R. Someone asks if he should by spray-on or roll-on deodorant, you reply with Type R. Add to that your clear lack of experience with car audio, yet your undying devotion to the R and any positive hype surrounding it, the constant throwing it in other people's faces, etc etc. If you really have no idea why there is such a back-lash here, open your eyes and like squeak said, look in the mirror. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/uhoh.gif.c07307dd22ee7e63e22fc8e9c614d1fd.gif