sx???

[Spkrman]

i believe the difference with a 15" type r and an sx are only 60 bucks different... 290sx 230 for type r... better than one another? eh, i would say they are pretty equal... money shouldn't matter in which sub performs better... LOGICALLY and economically, the type R would be a better choice because it's the same quality for a lower price... but i don't think one is better than the other other than price... but in the end, what does it matter?
people like what they like... if someone likes how the sx looks over the R, they'll most likely get it... Not everyone is trying to find a competition sub to throw 2500 watts at like spkrman... IMO, if you power each sub with their rated power, they'll perform equally.. one driver is NOT better than another just because you can abuse it more...

use them both correctly and they are pretty equal...

you "believe" the difference in minimal?

I suppose objective testing yields to assumption...?

*why* would the SX be better? Is there any reason other than its an RE? Brand schmand... I go with what performs.

 

[Spkrman]

It doesn't matter where the number comes from, just one success was all that was needed.

and all the others that I have built boxes for that have gone to shows and had success... and all the others who just cruise around and have people //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif when they realize its only one little crappy type R 12?

Its more than one test... its more than one car...

The subs are quality and cheap, if you dont like that fine - but don't say something is better when you haven't done the testing to say so...

 

[skeptikal Premium Member]

oopssss someone done pissed off the Type R king!

Mark do you expect to take finals this year?

 

[Spkrman]

oopssss someone done pissed off the Type R king!
Mark do you expect to take finals this year?

i'm already way ahead in mr1, db1 is also wangin... and i have yet to turn it up.

doin more testing... I want to hand out an absolute spanking, not just win //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Chevillac 5,000+ posts]

Spkrman, this is an honest question, not bashing or anything. How did you come to choose the type R? Did you hear it from someone else or were buying subs or what? I think you have said it before, I just dont remember.

 

[Raven 10+ year member]

The subs are quality and cheap, if you dont like that fine - but don't say something is better when you haven't done the testing to say so...

When did I say that the SX was better than the Type R? I said that people unrealisticly underestimate the capabilities of the SX because tests show the Type R can mic higher. Anything else was your own interpretation.

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

2 12" type rs will do a 150 in a non wall street set up. few of us seen spkrman do it in a db drag on the dash (db drag style) he didnt have it "tuned" in either was running off 1 orion 2500d iirc. im not saying the type r is the best but i will say is what tommy spkrman and someothers in his group are saying is pretty legit. is it the highest number ever no but most of the guys hear that bash it arent doing 150 either. instead of trying to be a keyboard nazi learn what is going on and if you can do better then talk smack. if you blow one up you did something wrong i seen spkrman beat the crap out of them as well not just on burps. what it is that most over look is the systems design as it is even more important than the sub used

I know someone that did a 153.x last year at drag finals in a street class...with guess what...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif And no, it wasn't a Type R.

You may or may not know him...he likes little boys, and loves Type R's.

I gots an idea...you Type R boys want SPL....throw away the SX and git yourself an MT...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

I know someone that did a 153.x last year at drag finals in a street class...with guess what...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif And no, it wasn't a Type R.
You may or may not know him...he likes little boys, and loves Type R's.

I gots an idea...you Type R boys want SPL....throw away the SX and git yourself an MT...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

how much power? and was the system tossed in on 2 hours notice? im not attacking it from the prospective good better best , but rather hmmmm thats a pretty respectable score from 1/4 -1/2 the power that the big boys run...all i see is reguardless how you wanna cut it a set up that costs less than 1 of the big boys amps can hang with the top 10-5% in its class. if anything if someone likes the sport of it that in itself should be reissureing that the sport should and could draw more intrest. so what if its not your cup of tea that doesnt matter. you know how to get loud with what you have (in fact i know you do), but tell me you dont think its funny when you see a 8 grand system get beat by a 2 grand set up or better yet a set of pyrimid super blues posts up a higher score than a set up of cv strokers in its same class...it happens and either way you look at it sh!t happens //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

how much power? and was the system tossed in on 2 hours notice? im not attacking it from the prospective good better best , but rather hmmmm thats a pretty respectable score from 1/4 -1/2 the power that the big boys run...all i see is reguardless how you wanna cut it a set up that costs less than 1 of the big boys amps can hang with the top 10-5% in its class. if anything if someone likes the sport of it that in itself should be reissureing that the sport should and could draw more intrest. so what if its not your cup of tea that doesnt matter. you know how to get loud with what you have (in fact i know you do), but tell me you dont think its funny when you see a 8 grand system get beat by a 2 grand set up or better yet a set of pyrimid super blues posts up a higher score than a set up of cv strokers in its same class...it happens and either way you look at it sh!t happens //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Hmmmm 2 VFL's and IIRC one yellowtop...his name...is Dave. He likes little boys, and pink flamingo's.

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Figure 1500w nominal from each VFL on 12v....not factoring in voltage, impedance, etc.

 

[psych0ticnemes1 5,000+ posts]

you "believe" the difference in minimal?
I suppose objective testing yields to assumption...?

*why* would the SX be better? Is there any reason other than its an RE? Brand schmand... I go with what performs.

i never said the sx was better... and i have used a type r... and i didn't see much of a difference... probably because i wasn't sticking an orion 2500 on each coil //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif

 

[SBLAZER]

whos stickin an 2500d on each coil, no one, u prob didnt see the diff becuz of ya install. didnt spend the time with it. juss from a direct swap i seen the distance. if u really took the time and installed it in a nice azz box u would be hooked also. also throw some real power at it, u kno im always on ya case about ya amp,lmao.and snova its notonly about SPL, its also about can i listen 2 this sub daily w/o juss playin bass mekanic all day, becuz thats the only the MT sounds about good on. and 1 12R w/viper 2500.1 vs 1 15MT x/2 mtx modded 1501ds, guess who won that battle lol buddy of mine on here (typeRbass) has 2 9512s and 2 viper 2500.1s, swapped them out for TYPE Rs, guess wha was louder. goes 2 show, wha the Rs are capable of. these are no way medicore subs. these are the real deal.

 

[PV Audio 5,000+ posts]

i was actually gonna say that ima get some R's off ebay as well and do objective testing since i've never had a car system yet.

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

Man have i fallen behind on this thread

Lemans, you know the story by now. Someone pitted an SX against the ever-so-loved Alpine Type R, the Type R posted an insignificantly higher number that wouldn't effect a daily driver in any way, now everyone thinks the SX is some mediocre half sub and not the little brother to the XXX like it really is.
After that certain people think "Gee, I have SXs already on the way! Defying all logic and the incredible number of good reviews - I will mentally list them in the '****' category of subwoofers!!". Not expecting much, they don't put the effort to do a decent install, so the SX ends up sounding like shit, and they post shady reviews.

Watch it happen again with the next forum boner against an otherwise loved sub here on ca.com.

Insignificant? Hardly. I tried my d*mndest to make the SX work. It just crapped out on the power i had going to it while the type-r took it on MUSIC. Not to mention that i did this test BEFORE the whole type-r hype (hence my user title). In fact, i think my test results STARTED the type-r boner.

It doesn't matter where the number comes from, just one success was all that was needed.

We've done MANY more comparison tests //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif My test just started a barrage of tests against other subs

i believe the difference with a 15" type r and an sx are only 60 bucks different... 290sx 230 for type r... better than one another? eh, i would say they are pretty equal... money shouldn't matter in which sub performs better... LOGICALLY and economically, the type R would be a better choice because it's the same quality for a lower price... but i don't think one is better than the other other than price... but in the end, what does it matter?
people like what they like... if someone likes how the sx looks over the R, they'll most likely get it... Not everyone is trying to find a competition sub to throw 2500 watts at like spkrman... IMO, if you power each sub with their rated power, they'll perform equally.. one driver is NOT better than another just because you can abuse it more...

use them both correctly and they are pretty equal...

The prices for the 15's are similar, but the 10's and 12's are MUCH cheaper. I paid $100 shipped for a brand new type-r, a 10" SX is gonna cost $260 shipped. The 15" type-r HAS to be more expensive because it actually has a bigger motor and coil than the 10" and 12" versions, while the SX uses the same coil and motor for all the sizes.

I know someone that did a 153.x last year at drag finals in a street class...with guess what...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif And no, it wasn't a Type R.
You may or may not know him...he likes little boys, and loves Type R's.

I gots an idea...you Type R boys want SPL....throw away the SX and git yourself an MT...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Throw a sub 40 hz note at an MT and see what kind of score it puts up. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

i never said the sx was better... and i have used a type r... and i didn't see much of a difference... probably because i wasn't sticking an orion 2500 on each coil //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif

How about a nine.1 per sub? Not to mention the type-r LOVED the power i fed it when i had both amps on it (each nine.1 at .5 ohm nominal) and the SX couldn't even get a burp off.

Basically, the SX got its *** kicked in many installs. I don't know how to make it any clearer. Alot of the bashing comes from people who have ZERO experience with it, or simply hate it because 1) it's the new forum boner, 2) they own the sub that the type-r beat, 3)they support/push the company that the type-r beat. People just have to do testing of their own rather than just bash shit for no reason. BTW, dB drag is overrated. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif "Hmm, lets see how much cone area we can cram in our class, then throw as MUCH POWER AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE and see what it can do!!!" Step into MECA's realm and try to do that score on a 50 amp fuse. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

I know someone burping in the high 30's...guess what...he's louder then anyone using Type R's //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

I know someone burping in the high 30's...guess what...he's louder then anyone using Type R's //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

power, subs, etc.? You cant just say that and not give me anything. Also, what score.

Come on john, you should know better than that.