Square Vs. Circle

Of course the L7 continues to be a top seller. It is a good TOOL to use to make a bunch of money for Kicker...without question. I have been in the business for a long time. I worked selling Kicker equipment when the logo was still someone riding a bucking bronco, so I have a little knowledge about Stillwater Designs. In the mid 90's Kicker was struggling to gain marketshare. There was NO question about that. At CES in the late 90's we got to see the new subwoofers and they unveiled the square subs in their little booth. The square sub was a marketing tool, plain and simple. That is not to say that they did not put design, thought, or tons of money into the design, but they needed something to try to gain marketshare and make more money, because that's what is all about for ANY company. The square sub put Kicker into a much better place in marketshare, where they were not before. If you work for Kicker, then you can probably see this for yourself, with the release of this sub, Kicker began to make a lot more money, and this was solely due to the release of this subwoofer. Kicker has always been a great company, I know this. Its not like they were going out of business, but they sure weren't the company they are today...I doubt anyone would argue that point. I would be willing to bet that this sub has been Kickers biggest success story in the history of Kicker. Having a square sub was not a necessity to sound quality or any other aspect of car audio for that matter, because it is not any better design than a round sub, unless you are speaking of how many subs you can fit in a box...lol. The square sub was designed to get people to buy subwoofers from Kicker, rather than from a competitor. I mean, honestly, what would be the purpose of having a square subwoofer? Does it "work" better? Do they play louder than a comparably built round sub? Which design is structurally stronger, square or round? So, why, honestly do you think they built the sub in the first place? If it wasn't for one of the above reasons, then what was it? I am not saying this was a bad thing at all. I think it was GREAT. I made TONS more money selling these subs. People came into the store and asked for these and we couldn't keep them on the shelves when they first came out. And I hope you didn't miss the part where I said how much I love Kicker product! But if this product (just like any other "new" product) wasn't designed for marketing reasons, then I don't know why it was. Maybe Kicker's sponsorship of Alma Gates originally was just out of the kindness of their hearts, right? Or maybe just like Ms. Gates, the square sub was brought out to expose more people to Kicker, advertise for Kicker, and to gain more marketshare. You said "a tool gets used". Yes, the subs get used, over and over and over. But Kicker, without any question, used the square sub as a tool to make money, plain and simple...just like ANY good company would.
Yes, I have been here since 1988. Just wanted to clarify, that to me, a 'tool' was the joke in 2000 that they were a gimmick, and wouldn't work, but yes, they are a 'tool' to sell square woofers. When we intrioduced them in 2000, the rumors flew about 'square waves',etc...so your correct on our assumption of tool, just was referring to 'tool' as stated above.gaining marketshare consist of many things, one is to make something innovative, and have customer service,programs, pricing,etc to elevate and get more market share. So yes, the L7 was innovative in 2000, so yes, it was used to get more 'profit on a new SKU'.

PS, if you were around back then, PM me whom you are, I bet I know whom you'd be since we are both old timers //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 
Yes, I have been here since 1988. Just wanted to clarify, that to me, a 'tool' was the joke in 2000 that they were a gimmick, and wouldn't work, but yes, they are a 'tool' to sell square woofers. When we intrioduced them in 2000, the rumors flew about 'square waves',etc...so your correct on our assumption of tool, just was referring to 'tool' as stated above.gaining marketshare consist of many things, one is to make something innovative, and have customer service,programs, pricing,etc to elevate and get more market share. So yes, the L7 was innovative in 2000, so yes, it was used to get more 'profit on a new SKU'.

PS, if you were around back then, PM me whom you are, I bet I know whom you'd be since we are both old timers //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif
Makes me feel like a kid. Youve been there as long as Ive been alive... depending on what month.

 
Being around in 2000 makes someone an old timer now?! Ouch, Im an over hiller by now I guess. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif
no, being around with the Horse, means old...LOL //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

May, 1988.

 
Yes, I have been here since 1988. Just wanted to clarify, that to me, a 'tool' was the joke in 2000 that they were a gimmick, and wouldn't work, but yes, they are a 'tool' to sell square woofers. When we intrioduced them in 2000, the rumors flew about 'square waves',etc...so your correct on our assumption of tool, just was referring to 'tool' as stated above.gaining marketshare consist of many things, one is to make something innovative, and have customer service,programs, pricing,etc to elevate and get more market share. So yes, the L7 was innovative in 2000, so yes, it was used to get more 'profit on a new SKU'.

PS, if you were around back then, PM me whom you are, I bet I know whom you'd be since we are both old timers //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif
Yeah, don't remind me of the "unilateral pricing policy"...lol! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif Great product and the best "SKU" they have ever had (except for an older set of XPL 12" **** I miss my old subs...hahaha) BTW, a "gimmick" sub is the triangle sub and the lighted sub and the "thunderdome" sub...bwahahahahaha! I am having a great time amusing myself tonight! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
Yeah, don't remind me of the "unilateral pricing policy"...lol! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif Great product and the best "SKU" they have ever had (except for an older set of XPL 12" **** I miss my old subs...hahaha) BTW, a "gimmick" sub is the triangle sub and the lighted sub and the "thunderdome" sub...bwahahahahaha! I am having a great time amusing myself tonight! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
the ole XPL, Mohawk, Streetwave, 25th anniversary subs, SI amps, Kicker D20's, etc //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
makes me miss the ole kicker substations //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

you two arent the only old timers around here //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/uhoh.gif.c07307dd22ee7e63e22fc8e9c614d1fd.gif

 
makes me miss the ole kicker substations //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif
seen some of those at frys a while back //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 
makes me miss the ole kicker substations //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

you two arent the only old timers around here //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/uhoh.gif.c07307dd22ee7e63e22fc8e9c614d1fd.gif
I loved the substations. Mind you they were before my time, I pulled a pair of the 8" substations out of a car I bought. VERY good subs for such moderate power and displacement.

 
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