SQ..what is it?

[MegaloJntariac 10+ year member]

**** all that, I am better than Rick Ruben! I will tune to fit my needs bishes. Keep it Trill!

 

[Ctesibius 10+ year member]

Yes, I understand. There's your definition, and then there's the right one. Im glad we've come to an understanding.

I formally defined it as accuracy, which is the same as yours. So either you are admitting you are also wrong, or we are both right. Talk about self-contradictory nonsense for the sake of arguing and fueling your narcissism //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/hilarious.gif.02a037aad04aa96f19982b298a3d70a8.gif

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I formally defined it as accuracy, which is the same as yours. So either you are admitting you are also wrong, or we are both right. Talk about self-contradictory nonsense for the sake of arguing and fueling your narcissism //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/hilarious.gif.02a037aad04aa96f19982b298a3d70a8.gif

You defined it as accuracy and said that's the only 'true' definition, then went on to reinforce another definition. If you cant see the fundamental problem with that line of logic, no amount of posts I create will make any difference. So at some point I just have to start being a smart ***, as that's my defense mechanism against stupidity and/or incoherence.

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

You defined it as accuracy and said that's the only 'true' definition, then went on to reinforce another definition. If you cant see the fundamental problem with that line of logic, no amount of posts I create will make any difference. So at some point I just have to start being a smart ***, as that's my defense mechanism against stupidity and/or incoherence.

I take it you've done tone testing of some sort to see just how accurate you're senses really are? Last time I did it, I was borderline tone deaf. I'll post the link if I can find it.

What's the use of all this "that's not SQ" talk if the 'truth' is not actually heard?

FWIW, i'm with you on how "SQ" cannot be subjective. Thing is, no matter how you twist it, music is preferential and hardly anyone is willing to admit what they think they hear is a lie. So, you have to appreciate the subjectivity of the matter...no matter if it *should* be easy to understand or not. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I take it you've done tone testing of some sort to see just how accurate you're senses really are? Last time I did it, I was borderline tone deaf. I'll post the link if I can find it.
What's the use of all this "that's not SQ" talk if the 'truth' is not actually heard?

FWIW, i'm with you on how "SQ" cannot be subjective. Thing is, no matter how you twist it, music is preferential and hardly anyone is willing to admit what they think they hear is a lie. So, you have to appreciate the subjectivity of the matter...no matter if it *should* be easy to understand or not. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

I get your point, and Ive said before, our ability to discern 'quality' in this regard, with sound, IS subjective. That does not however mean that the quality of the sound is subjective, just that our perception of it is. There in lies the crux of this endless argument.
As a matter of fact, Im more of a sound preference kind of person when it comes to setting up my own system. If I cant tweak the EQ from the driver's seat, Im not happy. But that doesn't mean Im going to fool myself into thinking whatever *I* think sounds best at the time is the definition of "SQ". My EQ adjustments, even for the same song, change day to day, depending on many things, including my mood. My mental state should not be part of the definition of SQ.

 

[Ctesibius 10+ year member]

You defined it as accuracy and said that's the only 'true' definition, then went on to reinforce another definition. If you cant see the fundamental problem with that line of logic, no amount of posts I create will make any difference. So at some point I just have to start being a smart ***, as that's my defense mechanism against stupidity and/or incoherence.

Honestly the only explanation here is that being a smart *** is the mechanism you use to defend your stupidity. As so far that's all you've been able to demonstrate in this thread. That and your incessant and narcissistic need to demonstrate superiority via sarcasm when you can't really think of anything intelligent to say and have obviously lost a disagreement.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Honestly the only explanation here is that being a smart *** is the mechanism you use to defend your stupidity. As so far that's all you've been able to demonstrate in this thread. That and your incessant and narcissistic need to demonstrate superiority via sarcasm when you can't really think of anything intelligent to say and have obviously lost a disagreement.

Oh such big words, Ive clearly lost this epic clash.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Ok let me take you seriously for just one minute and suggest once you come up with a coherent argument that does not try to walk the fence and suggest the woman is both pregnant, and not pregnant, I will address you in a serious manner. Until then, my defense mechanism just wont let me.

 

[Ctesibius 10+ year member]

Oh such big words, Ive clearly lost this epic clash.

Thank you for proving my point //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Nothing intelligent to say, so you come up with a witless, sarcastic remark to make yourself feel like you've still "won".

 

[Brian_smith06 10+ year member]

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[86civicSI 10+ year member]

if you really heard a sq car you wouldn't like it they sound kinda flat as for sq amps all that means to me is high signal to noise ratio(more signal less noise)so a sq amp is still sweet for as far as being clean. in a sub amp sq to me is a high dampening factor everyone runs class d now.i still run a class a(ppi power class)with a dampening factor of 500.that set up makes tight bass.i have had class D's they really hit the low notes nice in a street set up.in competition most people just wanna blow the back glass out so dirty d's are great for that and they are way more efficient than class a.i have a old school RF POWER BD1000 it has it all class d efficiency and class a/b cleanliness.sq on the street is nonexistent do try it you wont like it.

i have 2 cars both with system's i have sq equipment but don't run a sq setup

1 with a audiocontrol 24xs,audiocontrol line driver, rf 500a2 on highs bd1000 on 1 12

1 with a audiocontrol system 90 model 48 4 channel amp ppi 2600.2 2 RF power dvc 10's

fosgate gets a bad rap because they were popular but they are bulletproof i've had ALOT of amps in my day i started with hifonics,kicker,orion,mtx(sucks)after many problems with mtx(i worked as a installer and got them below dealer cost)i dumped all my shitty mtx crap and went fosgate with the masses over 10 years now and never one problem i ran and run the piss out of them daily. the old school PPI power class is totally sweet.i hate made in Korea/china

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

if you really heard a sq car you wouldn't like it they sound kinda flat

wat

everyone runs class d now

wat

sq on the street is nonexistent do try it you wont like it.

wat

i still run a class a(ppi power class)

wat

 

[DEdwards 10+ year member]

if you really heard a sq car you wouldn't like it they sound kinda flat as for sq amps all that means to me is high signal to noise ratio(more signal less noise)so a sq amp is still sweet for as far as being clean. in a sub amp sq to me is a high dampening factor everyone runs class d now.i still run a class a(ppi power class)with a dampening factor of 500.that set up makes tight bass.i have had class D's they really hit the low notes nice in a street set up.in competition most people just wanna blow the back glass out so dirty d's are great for that and they are way more efficient than class a.i have a old school RF POWER BD1000 it has it all class d efficiency and class a/b cleanliness.sq on the street is nonexistent do try it you wont like it.i have 2 cars both with system's i have sq equipment but don't run a sq setup

1 with a audiocontrol 24xs,audiocontrol line driver, rf 500a2 on highs bd1000 on 1 12

1 with a audiocontrol system 90 model 48 4 channel amp ppi 2600.2 2 RF power dvc 10's

fosgate gets a bad rap because they were popular but they are bulletproof i've had ALOT of amps in my day i started with hifonics,kicker,orion,mtx(sucks)after many problems with mtx(i worked as a installer and got them below dealer cost)i dumped all my shitty mtx crap and went fosgate with the masses over 10 years now and never one problem i ran and run the piss out of them daily. the old school PPI power class is totally sweet.i hate made in Korea/china

it sounds like you have never heard a true SQ car...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

I offer my car sometime for you to demo...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Thank you for proving my point //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Nothing intelligent to say, so you come up with a witless, sarcastic remark to make yourself feel like you've still "won".

You seem to want this to be some sort of competition. You continue to ignore my actual points to you and others here, and instead focus on my sarcasm. I dont need to feel like Ive won or lost here, maybe you should ask yourself why you do. If you want to discuss the topic, pick a side and have at it. If you want to continue to try and 'beat' me, then you've already beaten yourself. All I had to do was sit back and watch.
Cheers.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

SQ is about reproducing the sound as accurately as possible, some try to make it sound better to their taste but is that actually better quality or what sounds better to them? What do they do if when they hear their favorite CD's on an accurate system and figure out they are missing background vocals and instrumentals? What about staging and imaging? Are SQ and appeal the same thing? To me they are not.