RE XXX 15: sound quality build; ported or sealed

all I see you talking about is excursion. why not post vids of SQ also? Your question has been asked and answered, multiple ways, all of which will work. Get off the computer and build your box and let us know how it is.

 
all I see you talking about is excursion.
Well, people are making questionable comments about the abilities of the sub, some say ported some say sealed, some are saying the sub's motor is too weak for full excursion which it obviously isn't....... Don't know who to believe..

IMO people on this site just have a boner for ported boxes and XBL2 or whatever subs..

Since the guy in the professional review I posted earlier asked the engineers at RE for the best SQ specifications and the answer was a sealed box 2.5 times larger than the optimal size listed on their site that's what I'm going to build; a sealed box 2.5x what is recommended on the RE site.

On top of that the guys who actually perform calcs based on the T/S parameters of the sub say everything points to a big sealed box.

I guess I was hoping to hear some testimonials from people who have ran both

 
I have a 2008 XXX 15". It's been sitting in storage for a year or 2. I never had much luck running it ported (5 cubic ft. @ 30hz). It was quite horrible sounding; peaky at certain frequencies and also certain frequencies were non existent. I guess the best way to explain it is the frequency plot graph would look similar to the McDonald's golden arches sign. Eventually I plugged the port on the box. Sub was firing up in the back of my Jeep Liberty. It sounded great when I wasn't moving. As soon as I started driving it was as if I had no sub.

For now I've given up on using the XXX in a vehicle. I think I'll turn it in to my H/T sub.

 
XXX on 400 watts sealed box on music 3" P-P excursion


Think what you want about your driver.. If you really want some honesty about it from an outside source check the data-bass reviews. This guy basically buys and has people send him super expensive drivers so that he can test them properly and see how they do.. Very measurement oriented, he has a great setup and he's no bias. As you can see, while the driver is good, everything I said about it is true. That video you linked didn't look like music either, looked alot like a test tone dropping in frequency, that's not music.

Anyway here is the review of the sub in a 4.5 cube box. Remember in a car you'll get cabin gain that will alter this response, but this is the basic starting response in an open field. "Using the XXX 18 driver in the 4.5 cube sealed test enclosure handicaps it substantially and results in a humped response shape with a significant roll off towards the top end. Sensitivity is very low due to the high moving mass and low BL^2/RE of the motor. This driver wants an enclosure many times this size for a maximally flat alignment. Additionally the huge excursion levels supported require tremendous amounts of amplifier power to make use of them. Power levels that are likely not realistic to use. Distortion performance below 50Hz is pretty good considering the output levels reached but would probably improve substantially in a larger airspace. On the positive side the chance of running out of excursion with this driver in a cabinet this small is next to nothing using any sort of typical amplification scheme. This driver is much better suited to larger sealed enclosures, giant vented alignments and probably most of all IB. "

anyway http://www.data-bass.com

Again, not a terrible driver but the car brings out this drivers weakpoints even more. The peak near 30-40hz that this driver naturally had due to the heavy coil and high inductance is right where alot of cars have alot of gain. Most cars have nulls between 60 and 80hz where this driver won't play. Your going to have probably a 20-30db difference between 80 and 40hz hz in a car. It's an expensive speaker and it can be a good one, but really this thing is built for a HT system. If your goal is 10hz at 120db's this thing can deliver, if you have the room. Check out the measurements of the ported setup they tried 30+ cubes at 12hz tuning, that's where this thing shines, stupid big boxes tuned very low. Even in a box that big, plenty of woofers can provide more output ABOVE 30hz in a box iiterally 1/6th the size, which is where most music plays. This may not be a problem for you, assuming you planned on crossing your driver over at 40-50hz. Really it depends what you wanted out of the speaker in the first place. I just know alot of people are very disappointed with these things when they get them into the car. Not because it's a bad speaker, but it's not really designed for musical playback, let alone in a vehicle, despite how RE markets them.

Between the new and old XXX the power handling is difference isn't super significant. The XXX used a fairly beefy 3inch coil, most users put 2-2.5k on it without issues. XBL^2 also makes the driver very effecient, as it doesn't lose motor force as the coil leaves the gap. That kind of effeciency you wont' see on a standard t/s sheet, it takes real world testing and measurment to see that.

Anyway back to your setup, what other speakers are going into the car, what kind of car?

 
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My front stage (2001 BMW 325ci) consists of 2-3.5" drivers and 2-5 1/4" drivers, I'm assuming the 5 1/4" are mid bass only...? Anyway, I am trying to come up with a front stage that will compliment the XXX; obviously something with good low end extension down to what, 60 hz or so which is what I may be setting my crossover at...?

I did the math and I should be able to squeeze a 5 cube box in my trunk plus extra battery and amp..

Hmm, I wonder if I could do an IB setup..

 
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My front stage (2001 BMW 325ci) consists of 2-3.5" drivers and two 5 1/4" drivers, I'm assuming the 5 1/4" are mid bass only...? Anyway, I am trying to come up with a front stage that will compliment the XXX; obviously something with good low end extension down to what, 60 hz or so which is what I may be setting my crossover at...?
I did the math and I should be able to squeeze a 5 cube box in my trunk plus extra battery and amp..

Hmm, I wonder if I could do an IB setup..
Either way, I'm curious to know how it turns out for you.

I may try an IB setup with mine. I'm thinking I could build an mdf cargo shelf type thing in the back of my Jeep Liberty. It would be flush with the top of the seat backs. Sub would be firing up. That could be something I could do with the next to no power tools that I have.

 
Either way, I'm curious to know how it turns out for you.
I may try an IB setup with mine. I'm thinking I could build an mdf cargo shelf type thing in the back of my Jeep Liberty. It would be flush with the top of the seat backs. Sub would be firing up. That could be something I could do with the next to no power tools that I have.
Or build a 25 cube ported box for it!

Data-Bass

At 34.5 cubic feet of external volume and an estimated 320lbs this custom system is by far the largest that has been tested thus far. The huge enclosure enables the system to have very deep extension and a tuning of around 12Hz while utilizing a 10" diameter port. This system was designed some years back in an effort to produce a system with full power output down to 10Hz and to assess the performance of the port system employed. The port design was borrowed from Polk Audio – a patented design from the nineties called the power port that is supposed to allow a controlled and constant expansion at both port ends allowing for greater air speeds before compression while also allowing the use of a shorter port length for the desired tuning. Nathan Funk of Funk Audio was commissioned to build the enclosure design and no expense was spared on the materials, build or finishing. This system demonstrates tremendous low end SPL, but has mediocre upper bass output as a result of the XXX 18 driver’s very low sensitivity. The power port system works very well with huge masses of air moving through the port into the room with barely a hint of chuffing at full output. Unfortunately the added complexity and design time required for this type of port limit its use. This is the first system tested by Data-Bass to provide in excess of 100dB at 10Hz at 2 meters outdoors. A simply massive 114dB was recorded at 12.5Hz under the same conditions which further confirms the visceral room shaking power this system possesses once inside of a typical room.

 
I changed my mind about going IB. Too much work to support the sub. I'm now thinking about doing a rear firing sealed box. This sub looks promising in sealed. Here's a vid I found:



I see in one of your other threads you are thinking of giving up on the XXX in car. I'd say try sealed.

 
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