Rainbow Profi Kick Bass .... explained ( for better mid-bass )

[HitManSE 10+ year member]

I wish there was some sort of reputable show some were local here that knew what they were doing... (makes me wonder if I should take things into my own hands //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif )

Jig- depending on how its crossed & how the gains are set 300 a side shouldnt be a prob ( even though its a bit excessive...who am I to judge though, im running over 300 a side now, lol )

Blue- I have yet to hear and "kickbass" rainbow comps but im starting to understand what you mean. When I got the Powerline CS in, it did bring more bass upfront, considerably more to be honest but none of that kick you in the chest feeling.

Dont get me wrong it sounds phenomenal but doesnt kick you in the chest. Im sure if I had it running in an active setup and set my own paths to cross them at, things would improve but ill get to that another time.

 

[SQBubble 10+ year member]

I wish there was some sort of reputable show some were local here that knew what they were doing... (makes me wonder if I should take things into my own hands //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif )
Jig- depending on how its crossed & how the gains are set 300 a side shouldnt be a prob ( even though its a bit excessive...who am I to judge though, im running over 300 a side now, lol )

Blue- I have yet to hear and "kickbass" rainbow comps but im starting to understand what you mean. When I got the Powerline CS in, it did bring more bass upfront, considerably more to be honest but none of that kick you in the chest feeling.

Dont get me wrong it sounds phenomenal but doesnt kick you in the chest. Im sure if I had it running in an active setup and set my own paths to cross them at, things would improve but ill get to that another time.

nvm

 

[blue 10+ year member]

I've been doing some research and are considering these as replacements to my Crystals. The overall verdict I got is that the mid-bass is great but havent heard much about the upper end. How are the tweets? I love the way that the Crystals tweet sound, not to laid back but not over-bearing either but kinda just wanna try a new setup to. BTW: Blue are you able to sell online? PM me and we can talk if I decide to go this way. Another mention I Havent heard much about is the power-handling. Any comp-set I get would be mated to a Kicker 850.2(~300 a side). Thanx guys!

Man , I can't sell on-line , but can tell you this : The Profi line and above are some of the best tweeters i have EVER heard. VERY , VERY natural sounding. As far as power handlin goes ....I was giving my Profi Kick components about 360 watts per channel , and they LOVED it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/up2something.gif.dd110ecf3ae4b76050d87598f2f8de7c.gif

 

[blue 10+ year member]

and where does the Powerline CS stands among them all??

He he he .... I'm getting PMs like crazy asking about individual Rainbow sets .... Here's the best way I can really answer your question. At pretty much EVERY Rainbow price point , it is VERY difficult to better or even equal what Rainbow offers when comparing other brands , without spending considerably more money.

 

[kublkmax 10+ year member]

i have been saying that all along and no one wants to listen to me. And as for the Powerline CS go they get real nasty and stay very accurate. The power lines are just one part of my front stage and they have made themselves right at home with other componets that I am running. I could not be happier.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[HitManSE 10+ year member]

^ That is very true, they get **** loud and stay accurate 100% through out. Im not upset with the Powerline CS. They rock, even though im running them passive they still sound great. Im just wondering how much better active would sound.

Only prob for me is I dont feel like picking up another 4-channel Arc SE amp(to match my other 2 //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif ) to run the mids and tweets, finding a good place & mounting the mids, plus Id need to get another head unit & now cost is over $1500+ just to find out. I dont exactly feel like I need to spend more atm.

 

[slick rick 10+ year member]

Hitman I gotta answer your PM. I got it after NY this summer but have been busy with law school. sounds like you like the 'bows. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[HitManSE 10+ year member]

Hitman I gotta answer your PM. I got it after NY this summer but have been busy with law school. sounds like you like the 'bows. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Then answer it, lol

Btw I think ive figured out what that metallic ringing noise is. Dont know how the hell to fix it, but I know what it is.

Run some test tones, at one certain freq (not sure which it is on yours) between 150-400hz you'll catch it.

I think it may have something to do with the alum cones, but its def from the speaker. I didnt have much time to poke at it today to narrow it down.

 

[95stroked1500 10+ year member]

people put 8's and 10's in their doors because they drop them down to 40hz and want a lot of outpu from it. a sub @ 80hz is directional to me. unless it's faded way down.

rainbow sure has some beautiful looking drivers. i'd like to take a bite of one when i see them. but i'd have to hear a set of their kick bass to bump them up on my opinions pedastool. some people i see rave about rainbows, others aren't impressed. after all the hype years ago, i was excited to get a chance to audition them. it was a couple different set ups and not the entry levels either. i fall into the category of being disappointed in what i heard vs cost.

but anyway, the best 6.5" mid bass driver i've heard yet is a DD W6.5LT. 50hz up, pour on the power and better have a door beefed up like yours are. they need a lot of break in time,...... 6 spiders i think they use in those one's.

not to jack your thread, just a different view on the topic.

 

[SQBubble 10+ year member]

people put 8's and 10's in their doors because they drop them down to 40hz and want a lot of outpu from it. a sub @ 80hz is directional to me. unless it's faded way down.
rainbow sure has some beautiful looking drivers. i'd like to take a bite of one when i see them. but i'd have to hear a set of their kick bass to bump them up on my opinions pedastool. some people i see rave about rainbows, others aren't impressed. after all the hype years ago, i was excited to get a chance to audition them. it was a couple different set ups and not the entry levels either. i fall into the category of being disappointed in what i heard vs cost.

but anyway, the best 6.5" mid bass driver i've heard yet is a DD W6.5LT. 50hz up, pour on the power and better have a door beefed up like yours are. they need a lot of break in time,...... 6 spiders i think they use in those one's.

not to jack your thread, just a different view on the topic.

i agree, i dont really enjoy low-passed at 80hz on a sub, it gets anoying sometimes...not always though

its dual-spider dude....

is it this one ur talking about?

http://www.ddaudio.com/dd/caraudio/woofers.asp?series=W6.5

do u know where i could get 2of these and for how much?

 

[95stroked1500 10+ year member]

that's the old one. there's different one's now, no updated pics there yet.

i could be wrong about 6 spiders, maybe it's 4. but for some reason i remember being told 6 by them. if it is 2, then my memory is all screwed up. and with how their basket is, i can't see the edge of them to count.

aside from DD or a local dealer, don't know of anyone who has them that wants to part with them.

that's a 1/2" thick top plate.

 

[blue 10+ year member]

people put 8's and 10's in their doors because they drop them down to 40hz and want a lot of outpu from it. a sub @ 80hz is directional to me. unless it's faded way down.
rainbow sure has some beautiful looking drivers. i'd like to take a bite of one when i see them. but i'd have to hear a set of their kick bass to bump them up on my opinions pedastool. some people i see rave about rainbows, others aren't impressed. after all the hype years ago, i was excited to get a chance to audition them. it was a couple different set ups and not the entry levels either. i fall into the category of being disappointed in what i heard vs cost.

but anyway, the best 6.5" mid bass driver i've heard yet is a DD W6.5LT. 50hz up, pour on the power and better have a door beefed up like yours are. they need a lot of break in time,...... 6 spiders i think they use in those one's.

not to jack your thread, just a different view on the topic.

I appreciate your input Stroked , but I if 80hz is directional to you , you simply haven't heard it done correctly .... This is where the average installer fails. Often it takes a REALLY good dedicated tuner to get this right. There are a multitude of tricks to help with this , not the least of which are the " Kick " series from Rainbow. They REALLY help bring the bass up front for VASTLY improved integration with the sub.

I've played with many of the DIY stes the Gurus claim to blow away the Rainbows .... and you know what .... Most of them do NOT. The majority of the improvement they are hearing is simply active vs. passsive ....

Thanks again for your input man !

 

[Thnking 10+ year member]

IBlue- I have yet to hear and "kickbass" rainbow comps but im starting to understand what you mean. When I got the Powerline CS in, it did bring more bass upfront, considerably more to be honest but none of that kick you in the chest feeling.

Bringing the bass upfront really has nothing to do with using rainbow speakers, in most cases it's simply an EQ between the subs and mid-bass speakers.

Personally, I like the Profi and Plat lines, but I would never buy the Plat's for their near retail price, and there are a number of speakers I prefer over the Profi's for similar and less than prices. Like various speakers and combinations of from Seas, Peerless, IA, Vifa, Morel, Scan-Speak, AVI, Dayton.

 

[3.5Max6spd 10+ year member]

Bringing the bass upfront really has nothing to do with using rainbow speakers, in most cases it's simply an EQ between the subs and mid-bass speakers.

I think you mean phase relationship. Which is affected by the xover point, an eq is not the recommended tool to fix that.

Personally, I like the Profi and Plat lines, but I would never buy the Plat's for their near retail price, and there are a number of speakers I prefer over the Profi's for similar and less than prices. Like various speakers and combinations of from Seas, Peerless, IA, Vifa, Morel, Scan-Speak, AVI, Dayton.

All those DIY low qts drivers cannot compare in an IB configuration in comparison to a real caraudio tooled high qts driver. Been there, done that. Talk about NEEDING EQ to get acceptable sound as always some area of the freq response is affected using IB. Seal them, or vent them-then yes you are getting what you pay for from them. But IB use from a sub .5 qts driver is boo boo unless you have a perfect door for them. They either sound boomy and undefined(scans) or thin on the lower end (seas) and jeapordizes xover point/power handling.

 

[BodegaBay 10+ year member]

All those DIY low qts drivers cannot compare in an IB configuration in comparison to a real caraudio tooled high qts driver...They either sound boomy and undefined(scans) or thin on the lower end (seas) and jeapordizes xover point/power handling.

I fully agree with Manny's assertion on this point. I got swept into the DIY drivers craze and after a six month trial, went back to my Profi Kicks. I personally bought a $350 set of Seas Nextel W18NX. Huge 7in driver. Beefy and dense -- 20-30% more than the Profis. Naturally I thought it would handily beat the Profi Kicks in midbass and was very surpised that it didn't even come close. Everone raves about it having great midbass but to me it's only a great midrange driver -- and who the heck wants a 7 INCH midrange? The Profi Kickbass are the only woofers I've listened to that really puts out that kick in the chest output. It's very warm and unfocused for the first ten hours, but after it's seated and broken in, it's phenomenal.