Rainbow Profi Kick Bass .... explained ( for better mid-bass )

[blue 10+ year member]

Check out this link ....

http://www.distinctusa.com/rainbow_kickbass_forever_en.pdf

EVERYTHING about hard hitting , deep authoratative mid-bass is explained here , and believe me Brotha .... They KNOW what they are talking about. I know , I have these speakers , and I have a SEAMLESS integration between my immensely powerful SPG-555 sub. Drums now pound THROUGH your chest and are very realistic as if you were standing 5 feet from a live drum kit. No , I repeat NO bass line is too much for these to handle with ease.

Don't believe me , I DARE you to try them , and you will NEVER again consider placing 7" or 8" drivers up front for more mid-bass !!

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[blue 10+ year member]

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[Ruffy 10+ year member]

buy me a set please daddy

I'm still not happy with my SLC's kickbass response.

 

[3.5Max6spd 10+ year member]

buy me a set please daddy
I'm still not happy with my SLC's kickbass response.

And you wont likely ever be unless you mount them on a REAL baffle.

 

[3.5Max6spd 10+ year member]

About the kickbass drivers... They are NOT intended to play below 80hz/12dbs.

So no, they do not replace the need of 7" or 8" midbasses should you want to play a lower xover point. However they are the best high qts 6.5" in terms of performance I've come across down to 80hz. They Kick like a mothereffer!

 

[blue 10+ year member]

About the kickbass drivers... They are NOT intended to play below 80hz/12dbs.So no, they do not replace the need of 7" or 8" midbasses should you want to play a lower xover point. However they are the best high qts 6.5" in terms of performance I've come across down to 80hz. They Kick like a mothereffer!

Misunderstanding ... The reason I posted about the Kick Bass drivers from Rainbow , is in general response to the multitude of posts in the " speaker " section this very moment , regarding the need for more and stronger mid-bass up front. To me , mid-bass is primarily from approx 80 hz to around 250 hz. People who use 8" drivers to gain mid-bass up front by crossing over at lower frequencies are STILL not necessarily gaining more mid-bass up front , but are gaining the illusion of more mid-bass by introducing true sub-bass frequencies , which I consider anything below basically 80 hz. I've had many people do exactly that , just find they are confused , because they do NOT have the impact they were looking for by going with 8"s in the doors.

In other words , MANY people mistake the " kick " in the mid-bass frequencies , believing it primarily comes from lower sub-bass frequencies instead.

Also , people who are looking to " move " the sub-bass up front with them by adding 8" in the doors and crossing at lower frequencies , could have accomplished it MUCH easier with the proper techniques of better sub to mid-bass driver integration .... To be fair though , MOST people don't have a complete understanding of just how many things can be done to accomplish this , and opt for the " let's just throw some 8"s in the doors " approach.

Adding powerful 8" drivers in the doors introduces a WORLD of new issues , such as the need for MUCH better dampening and stiffening , resonance control , and the possibility of the mids being affected by the strong backwave energy the 8s produce in the doors. MUCH more tuning is needed to get the critical balance without negatively affecting other things in the spectrum.

I'm not aginst the three-way , large driver / low x-over point approach , and do installs like that any time the customer requests it , but have found 6.5's to be MORE than appropriate when done correctly.



Getting bass " up-front " DOES NOT require adding large drivers up front , but instead requires a deep bag of knowledge on the multitude of tricks and techniques that can accomplish this with proper mid-bass to sub integration.

Just my $.02 ....

 

[blue 10+ year member]

And you wont likely ever be unless you mount them on a REAL baffle.

VERY TRUE !! My Profi Phase Plugs are mounted on 1" MDF baffles , and my Profi Kicks are mounted on 1.5" baffles. All of which is INSANELY secured to the doors with screws , 5,000 lb epoxy , and 5 layers of Dynamat.

The Toms in drum kits will punch holes through you , and when the sub hands over really strong bass lines to the mid-bass drivers , there is ZERO reduction in bass intensity. A recording of an acoustical stand-up bass will rip your head OFF ... Just like it will Live in a coffee shop/bar .... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/up2something.gif.dd110ecf3ae4b76050d87598f2f8de7c.gif

 

[headless 10+ year member]

Germaniums aren't slouches when it comes to midbass either. Have you heard them, blue?

 

[GrnEydDvl 10+ year member]

3.5Max6spd and blue are right. The Rainbow "kickbass" mids are designed to play loud and down to 80hz in well dampened door, but not below.

The number one comment I have been getting after demo'ing the new install to people (besides "holy chit that sounds great") is how great the midbass is. They can feel it pushing on their leg and the bass image is never pulled to the rear.

This is, of course, with the doors deadened to death and the mids mounted to double stacked 3/4 mdf baffle with dynamat sandwiched inbetween. And 250 watts RMS to each side //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/naughty.gif.94359f346c0f1259df8038d60b41863e.gif Thank god for deep doors.

The point is - the rainbow mids are certainly capable of amazing output down to 80hz. And I dont see any reason to go beyond that.

 

[blue 10+ year member]

Germaniums aren't slouches when it comes to midbass either. Have you heard them, blue?

No , but I will very soon. We have an install scheduled in a couple of weeks that is using the Germs. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif Truth be told , I have been waaay impressed at EVERY price point within the Rainbow line-up. We're finding it more difficult to sell our other manufacturer's $1,200 offerings , when customers hear them compared to what Rainbow offers at $700 and under.

 

[blue 10+ year member]

3.5Max6spd and blue are right. The Rainbow "kickbass" mids are designed to play loud and down to 80hz in well dampened door, but not below.
The number one comment I have been getting after demo'ing the new install to people (besides "holy chit that sounds great") is how great the midbass is. They can feel it pushing on their leg and the bass image is never pulled to the rear.

This is, of course, with the doors deadened to death and the mids mounted to double stacked 3/4 mdf baffle with dynamat sandwiched inbetween. And 250 watts RMS to each side //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/naughty.gif.94359f346c0f1259df8038d60b41863e.gif Thank god for deep doors.

The point is - the rainbow mids are certainly capable of amazing output down to 80hz. And I dont see any reason to go beyond that.

Perfectly stated ...

 

[SQBubble 10+ year member]

alright so tell me this blue

how do they compare with the Powerline CS 6.9inch, are they(powerline cs) truly the best mid-basses in the rainbow line, or kickbasses are better??

 

[blue 10+ year member]

alright so tell me this blue
how do they compare with the Powerline CS 6.9inch, are they(powerline cs) truly the best mid-basses in the rainbow line, or kickbasses are better??

I've heard ALL of the Rainbow speaker lines now except the Germaniums ( yes , I've even heard the References ) , and to my ears the Profi Kicks are the best. Profi Vanadium Kicks seem to actually hit a little harder , being aluminum and all , but do not sound as accurately toned to me.

I'd rather have the Profi Kicks for mean mid-bass , than I would the Platimums ..... To me , the PERFECT Rainbow system would be the Profi Kicks from 80hz to 250hz , then the Profi Phase Plugs from 250 hz to hand over to the Cal 28 tweeters from a set of Platinums //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

While the Platinums mid-bass driver is supposed to be MUCH better than the Profi line , I find the paper cone material from the Profi line to sound the most like real music , tonally speaking ....

HTH

 

[SQBubble 10+ year member]

I've heard ALL of the Rainbow speaker lines now except the Germaniums ( yes , I've even heard the References ) , and to my ears the Profi Kicks are the best. Profi Vanadium Kicks seem to actually hit a little harder , being aluminum and all , but do not sound as accurately toned to me. I'd rather have the Profi Kicks for mean mid-bass , than I would the Platimums ..... To me , the PERFECT Rainbow system would be the Profi Kicks from 80hz to 250hz , then the Profi Phase Plugs from 250 hz to hand over to the Cal 28 tweeters from a set of Platinums //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

While the Platinums mid-bass driver is supposed to be MUCH better than the Profi line , I find the paper cone material from the Profi line to sound the most like real music , tonally speaking ....

HTH

and where does the Powerline CS stands among them all??

 

[jiggy2dmax 10+ year member]

I've been doing some research and are considering these as replacements to my Crystals. The overall verdict I got is that the mid-bass is great but havent heard much about the upper end. How are the tweets? I love the way that the Crystals tweet sound, not to laid back but not over-bearing either but kinda just wanna try a new setup to. BTW: Blue are you able to sell online? PM me and we can talk if I decide to go this way. Another mention I Havent heard much about is the power-handling. Any comp-set I get would be mated to a Kicker 850.2(~300 a side). Thanx guys!