People not paying taxes

[i2ain2thunder 10+ year member]

Yeah we really should be up there with Japan....too bad we fail at education. I think I'd like to live there for a while Japan is tight.

 

[Ignatowski 5,000+ posts]

SO your argument against a clean planet is that noone else cares so we shouldn't care either at least that way we can rake in more dough? Truly spoken by an intelligent person. You have the moral corruption to make for a fine political leader. This is why I don't give a fvck about politics they aren't solving any problems. As long as you allow for a democracy there will be limitations to power, as long as there is limitations to power, maximum potential cannot be reached.

Intelligence? maybe I like to make money and I am a biz owner and I employ people

I want a clean planet but I want jobs also,people need to eat and thrive in America now wait for welfare checks.......Treehuggers have zero balance its all or nothing and guess what FU we have no jobs and corporations leave here daily because its not feasable to MFG here anymore......EPA,OSHA,WC INS,etc cost allot.......its too hard

China has all the jobs and they dont give a **** about the planet.....I will guess the amount of run off and pollution in china far exceeds what USA ever created.....Is it moral to clean up the USA and let the rest of the planet decay?

 

[i2ain2thunder 10+ year member]

True, too bad the ones in power don't have their job/income/food in jepardy. The don't even go hey we're losing jobs what can we do to fix this, instead they go o wow we're doing so good we have such a great economy who cares about a few jobs here or there....then 2011 hits and all of a sudden its oh....you mean we won't be able to continue spending out the a$$ and get away with it? Well now that it's too late lets try to do something about it. Our government is a procrastinator //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[galacticmonkey 5,000+ posts]

China doesnt deal with minimum wage. The going rate of labor is the going rate, and thats what people get paid. With the growth they have, the rate is low. There are so many people that they can drop the price of labor so low and people will still do the work. We could stop producing all pollution in America, but the rest of the world still will. We do cause a lot of the pollution, but with the rest of the world polluting without caring, no matter what we do, it doesnt matter. And even then, does it really matter all that much? After people go extinct, the earth will swallow up all signs of any life in probably under 50,000 years, which is basically the blink of an eye. The sun will rise and set, the tides will raise and lower, the seasons will still come.

If you want to create jobs in this country, get rid of the minimum wage law, drop the corporate income tax rate to 10% (if you complain they dodge taxes and pay 10% anyway, why not actually get the 10% you ask for and create jobs?) since we have the highest corporate income tax rate in the entire world, give a 10 year opportunity for overseas corporations to bring their money to America without being taxed on it, and watch the economy grow. If America was the BEST place to do business in the world, why wouldnt they do business here? The companies bringing their money here from overseas and hiring people would be like the stimulus bill (except actual stimulus, not giving us our own money back that the government took from us) only 10x bigger, and infinitely more effective.

 

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Also, GOP Presidential Debate on MSNBC tonight at 8pm EST.

Go watch Ron Paul make the others look like morons.

 

[Ignatowski 5,000+ posts]

China doesnt deal with minimum wage. The going rate of labor is the going rate, and thats what people get paid. With the growth they have, the rate is low. There are so many people that they can drop the price of labor so low and people will still do the work. We could stop producing all pollution in America, but the rest of the world still will. We do cause a lot of the pollution, but with the rest of the world polluting without caring, no matter what we do, it doesnt matter. And even then, does it really matter all that much? After people go extinct, the earth will swallow up all signs of any life in probably under 50,000 years, which is basically the blink of an eye. The sun will rise and set, the tides will raise and lower, the seasons will still come.
If you want to create jobs in this country, get rid of the minimum wage law, drop the corporate income tax rate to 10% (if you complain they dodge taxes and pay 10% anyway, why not actually get the 10% you ask for and create jobs?) since we have the highest corporate income tax rate in the entire world, give a 10 year opportunity for overseas corporations to bring their money to America without being taxed on it, and watch the economy grow. If America was the BEST place to do business in the world, why wouldnt they do business here? The companies bringing their money here from overseas and hiring people would be like the stimulus bill (except actual stimulus, not giving us our own money back that the government took from us) only 10x bigger, and infinitely more effective.

 

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Also, GOP Presidential Debate on MSNBC tonight at 8pm EST.

Go watch Ron Paul make the others look like morons.

I like what you say........I like Ron Paul...........I think we should be taxing CEOs +10% on all imports to pay america back for lost income and taxes

I think in a decade or so China and Indias smog will make LA look like a walk in the park.......Treehuggers can all hold hands then

 

[i2ain2thunder 10+ year member]

I hope Ron Paul wins I like him....and its rare I like a politician usually I just vote for the lesser evil. And can we stop saying tree-huggers nobody cares about them they don't have any power lol.

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

No tax, usually means no work (welfare), means free time to vote.

The people who these retards are talking about not paying taxes are those who pay no income taxes. That is 50% of the people in this country.

If you don't pay taxes, you shouldn't vote.

Thankfully everyone pays ******* taxes. Income tax isn't the only tax, you know. You also pay sales tax, payroll taxes, etc.

So the guy who makes a million a year should pay the same as the guy who makes 20k a year?

Yup. Dats lyburtee. /redneck

x2. We need to get rid of the personal income tax and corporate income tax. Then we need an instant runoff voting system. Would really get us away from the 2-party idea that doesnt let any new ideas or viewpoints in.

We can barely get people out to vote for one election. Let alone have potentially multiple run off elections.

It all comes back to morals. It really does.

Conservative morals would destroy our economy.

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

I hope Ron Paul wins I like him....and its rare I like a politician usually I just vote for the lesser evil. And can we stop saying tree-huggers nobody cares about them they don't have any power lol.

Thankfully no one cares about Ron Paul either. You don't vote for the lesser evil, you just vote for who you personally dislike the least. Newsflash, you're personal disdain for a person or lack thereof has no relevance on their ability to lead a country. Until you actually analyze and think about policies candidates support, you'll forever be an idiot.

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

Go watch Ron Paul make the others look like morons.

They're all morons. Ron Paul is actually the worst of them.

I love how Rick Perry blames the Federal Government for 25% of people not having health insurance in Texas right after he's told that Mass. has almost no people uninsured. Mass. is governed by the same federal laws Texas is. This is so obvious, but none of those idiots would call him out on it because then they'd be saying that the Federal Government isn't to blame, and that is too factual.

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

Its great to have multi-million dollar scrubbers on our smoke stacks, but if that factory closes down and that manufacturing moves to China, those scrubbers dont help the environment one bit. The only way to make environmentalism work is to work on global laws. The only way we can leverage countries like China to mandate more strict environmentalist policies, is to be competitive with them, so we have the bargaining chip of mutual cooperation. If our laws are so strict we cant compete, China can do pretty much whatever they want. The U.S. being martyrs for the 'green cause' by letting our economy die isn't going to stop global warming.

Let's see if I can pull a little Socrates out here. You're implying that the factory moved to China because it's cheaper to operate because in China, the scrubbers aren't mandated, yes?

(And I haven't forgotten about our PM convo)

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Thankfully everyone pays ******* taxes. Income tax isn't the only tax, you know. You also pay sales tax, payroll taxes, etc.

That's a good point. That may be why we shouldn't have an income tax, but one where everyone has to pay it no matter what the circumstances (most circumstances, at least). More than what is happening right now.

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

That's a good point. That may be why we shouldn't have an income tax, but one where everyone has to pay it no matter what the circumstances (most circumstances, at least). More than what is happening right now.

Why should the circumstances not matter? They matter enormously. The function of government is to provide for the welfare of all. What you're describing is government providing for the welfare of the top .1% and forgoing the rest. (And under you're system, that is where all the wealth would flow). Wealth flows from the bottom up, not the top down. Income taxes ensure that there is enough wealth at the bottom to flow up to keep our economy strong. In the past 30 years, there has been less and less flow of money from the bottom to the top too keep our economy strong and that is why it is floundering and the dollar is weakening. We're clinging on to outdated capitalistic policies that is crippling our economy. Capitalism as a base is wonderful, but it needs to be supported by practical socialism.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Why should the circumstances not matter? They matter enormously. The function of government is to provide for the welfare of all. What you're describing is government providing for the welfare of the top .1% and forgoing the rest. (And under you're system, that is where all the wealth would flow). Wealth flows from the bottom up, not the top down. Income taxes ensure that there is enough wealth at the bottom to flow up to keep our economy strong. In the past 30 years, there has been less and less flow of money from the bottom to the top too keep our economy strong and that is why it is floundering and the dollar is weakening. We're clinging on to outdated capitalistic policies that is crippling our economy. Capitalism as a base is wonderful, but it needs to be supported by practical socialism.

That's not what I meant. I meant make taxes unavoidable so that no one can get around them, or at least to the best we can. Income tax is a lulz, so many people get around it.

You are taking it to mean something is not. You need to take off the fogged glasses you are looking through and take it for what it is and not what you want it to be.

I'm a realist, nothing more than that. There is a problem with helping the poor today though. Just "throwing" money at the poor is not going to do much. A lot of the poor are poor for a reason, and same with the rich. But greed resides in both. So, no one owes anyone anything, but there is a need to bridge the gap between the rich and the poor. Aka, the middle class.

See where I come from, the poor people are there mostly because of bad decisions they've made. So from the rich peoples' perspective, they don't want to give any money to the poor just for them to waste it. Now there is a fine line with these opinions, and no real wrong from right.

What you are going to create, I'm afraid of, is going to be a mooching class of people that we haven't quite seen before in the U.S. The payback of helping the poor is going to be minimal, based on my experiences. I think services to the poor would more appropriate than money. Maybe instead of welfare, a person in the family could receive an education in a specific field where they can earn a true, legal living.

That's all fun in theory, but most of the non-sense means nothing.

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

Sorry, that is what I thought you mean when you said not having an income tax. I think clumsily taking an axe to any all all tax exemptions is equally as poor a decision as not doing anything to tax loopholes. Unsurprisingly, I'm more worried about the exploitation of loopholes by the top 1.5% than those in the bottom 50% that don't pay a net income tax. I'm even in favor of such a system being that the richest 1% owns 42% of the financial wealth in this country and that the bottom 80% owns 7.8%. The bottom 50% don't pay income taxes because they're broke and can't afford to. If you may them pay more significantly more income taxes, then you sabotage our economy. If you want them to pay more in income tax, make them more prosperous, don't just take money out of their pocket. I think that's pretty reasonable.

Also, I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying as well. I'm not talking about welfare, the program(s), I'm talking about welfare the concept. Welfare the idea. The well being of all people in this county. That is what the government is meant to look out for. If the government has to tax the top 1% so they're just a little bit less rich so the other 99% can live significantly better lives, then that is what they're there for. The rich will be rich whether their income over $500,000 is taxed at 35% or 50%. And hell, maybe taxing their unspent income over $x million dollars at 80% will make them spend that money. I'm pretty sure that would be good for the economy.

 

[AlterEgo99 5,000+ posts]

Attention peeps...Proxy is a buttfucking monkey...he is only spreading his shit in this thread due to his leg humping thrill that his black lover Barry "I'm a moron and all you dumbfucks voted for me" Obama is going to give another useless speech tomorrow night. Proxy is just hoping that this time his hero will say something smart. But alas, TOTUS will come up empty....again.

And I still say, you want to raise revenue?...then tax the 50% that don't pay ANY federal taxes...yes, FEDERAL taxes...tax those freeloaders and leave the rest of us alone. It's OUR money, not the governments and this class warfare shit needs to end...tax the freeloaders, not the people who actually EMPLOY people and work for a living. Enough of this "working people" crap when all you Dumbocrats talk about the "poor". Fuck you...most of us "rich" people do ALL of the work while you poor whiney bitches cry about your lack of initiative and motivation and expect those of us who actually WORK to give you a fucking handout.

Fuck off or die you bunch of teet sucking cunt faced fags.

Now fuck off Proxy and go back to masturbate to your Obama centerfold. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/boink.gif.91933e72f927f2cefc79aff02573090c.gif

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