Official Trump Thread - Winners only

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

Sadly not all of us can have a daddy who is a millionaire with considerable business clout. Having that much capital avialable before/during an economic bubble can go a long way...just saying....

I'm tired of arguing this Trump is responsible a lot of his income it's well-known that Trump ventured off where his dad wouldn't and it paid off huge for him

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

Since the majority of Trump's current business endeavors really bolsters US manufacturing....Get real. If he is elected 8 years down the road things will be the same or worse. International economics don't change that easily. US is screwed regardless of who gets elected at this point.

Incorrect the US dollar is the most-traded currency in the world the US economy has a huge say and other economies

 

[The_Quiet_One 10+ year member]

I'm tired of arguing this Trump is responsible a lot of his income it's well-known that Trump ventured off where his dad wouldn't and it paid off huge for him

It's well known he didn't start from nothing, so don't try to put down someone else for not being worth as much money when they didn't start out with the same advantages. All men are created equal some more so than others.

Incorrect the US dollar is the most-traded currency in the world the US economy has a huge say and other economies

You're so naive. Dollars are imaginary; it's tangible resources which will dominate the future economy. It's interesting how the oil glut had such a resounding effect in the US. You don't know anyone who lost a job in the oil industry over the past year or so do you? Make no mistake if the US manages to stay economically well placed it will be because we allowed foreign countries to over exploit their natural resources while hoarding our own. It will have little to do with anything Trump would push through.

....Time will tell though. If Trump manages to be elected I'll be sure to tag you in this thread in 8 years and we'll see if your confidence was aptly placed? I have a feeling he will leave many people disappointed...But who knows maybe I'll have to eat my words //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

You really want to change the nation for the better start locally. There are many other routes to enact change that will likely be more effective than a president who still has to reconcile with the separation of power regardless of who that president may be.

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

You taking what I say out of context again the u.s. dollar is what nearly everything is traded in the world.

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

Trust me I know he's not self-made he inherited quite a bit but what he did do and something that nobody else was willing to do Magneton see both properties people thought the sort of fell and made Millions off of them he really is a great business man.

He also knows that the US government is credit deals with people to cover up the dirt they doing like the free trade in all of this b*******

 

[The_Quiet_One 10+ year member]

You taking what I say out of context again the u.s. dollar is what nearly everything is traded in the world.

Trust me I know he's not self-made he inherited quite a bit but what he did do and something that nobody else was willing to do Magneton see both properties people thought the sort of fell and made Millions off of them he really is a great business man.He also knows that the US government is credit deals with people to cover up the dirt they doing like the free trade in all of this b*******

You're statement makes no sense in the context of this argument. How will Mr. Trump bring manufacturing back to the US? He would be working against international economics, specifically the cheapness of the workforce in places such as Asia. Manufacturing in the US is dead for the foreseeable future, that won't happen until a) transportation costs become too prohibitive to take advantage of cheap labor forces worldwide or b) US consumers make a collective stand to boycott most foreign merchandise, or c) Some calamity happens to seriously reduce worldwide population and the surplus of eager, cheap laborers it provides..... unless of course you or Mr. Trump are willing to say screw laissez faire. Then you would be no better than a commy.

What people really don't realize is in a truly free market the average US citizen is screwed over. Sadly there currently aren't many redeeming qualities to bringing manufacturing back to the US in a free market.

He is an ok businessman, but that doesn't make him a good presidential candidate imho. A country is not quite the same as a business...but you know what if he is elected I would not mind one bit to have been wrong. I seriously hope I would be proven wrong as that's a win win for everyone in the US.

 

[wew lad 5,000+ posts]

please dont argue with souldrop lol you're really wasting your time, if you ignore him he'll go away eventually

 

[The_Quiet_One 10+ year member]

please dont argue with souldrop lol you're really wasting your time, if you ignore him he'll go away eventually

I just like arguing though. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif I'll go away if y'all would like, but I would imagine the thread would turn even more boring than it already is.

 

[wew lad 5,000+ posts]

I just like arguing though. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif I'll go away if y'all would like, but I would imagine the thread would turn even more boring than it already is.

id prefer this to be a trump thread, it's plenty entertaining im posting lots of interesting things in here. ill find more if you want, just dont go arguing with people about it lol go rally at your local city or something, make your own thread if you want

 

[The_Quiet_One 10+ year member]

id prefer this to be a trump thread, it's plenty entertaining im posting lots of interesting things in here. ill find more if you want, just dont go arguing with people about it lol go rally at your local city or something, make your own thread if you want

Lol, you're in the dome man. I'm actually surprised it hasn't been completely derailed, but enjoy your thread amigo.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/patriotic.gif.b47a6e0394a3738334c387bdf79409f4.gif

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

You're statement makes no sense in the context of this argument. How will Mr. Trump bring manufacturing back to the US? He would be working against international economics, specifically the cheapness of the workforce in places such as Asia. Manufacturing in the US is dead for the foreseeable future, that won't happen until a) transportation costs become too prohibitive to take advantage of cheap labor forces worldwide or b) US consumers make a collective stand to boycott most foreign merchandise, or c) Some calamity happens to seriously reduce worldwide population and the surplus of eager, cheap laborers it provides..... unless of course you or Mr. Trump are willing to say screw laissez faire. Then you would be no better than a commy.
What people really don't realize is in a truly free market the average US citizen is screwed over. Sadly there currently aren't many redeeming qualities to bringing manufacturing back to the US in a free market.

He is an ok businessman, but that doesn't make him a good presidential candidate imho. A country is not quite the same as a business...but you know what if he is elected I would not mind one bit to have been wrong. I seriously hope I would be proven wrong as that's a win win for everyone in the US.

you got it all wrong son. what the problem is is simply this. the fucktards in office have lower tariff taxes and likewise taxation on imported goods.so low that they have a clear advantage. also the unions are killing small business and medium sized business because of the prices they impose of business.

example. shipping companies and manfucturing companies often pay top dollar for positions that need no real skill set. IE UPS drivers get paid 35 dollars an hour to drive a truck and off load packages. this drivers the price of manufacturing up and its not even directly related to the manufacture of the product itself. in order for us to compete we have to lower inflation and get wages in a manageable position. im not saying pay them like ****., im saying 35 to drive a truck is abit over kill. 25 dollars is much more realistic. with the lower taxation he proposes a truck driver that works 5 days a week will still clear 60k a year. again after you get inflation in control(which is the REAL problem) 60K is more like what 70K is currently. you see where is going? its all fixable by adjusting each thing a little at a time. fact the more you make the more they take.

lets say we lower wages by 15% and inflation by 15% you have more than a 30% gain. becasue where you was making 80k a year at a 30% effective rate with a plan like trumps you could cut taxes to 15% and cut wages 15%

so lets say you averaged 50 hours a week at 35 and hour

40*52=2080 hours flat time @ 35 hour 72.800

10*52=520 time and 1/2 so that's 27,300

total gross income of 100,100. that puts you in a 28% tax bracket so 72,072

with the wage adjustment and new tax bracket..

52,000 on straight time

19,500+52000=71,500

71500*.85=60,775. a net adjustment of 17.303 dollars per individual in taxes. but you make less moey you say? sure but this cause inflation to go down and driver companies cost and prices to do down drastically.

with a 10% increase on tariff taxes(that we dont see the government sees) will more than make up for the tax cuts on the american people!

so inflation does down 20%

lets say you spend 600 a month on food just for starters. 600*12 7200

7200*.8=5760. 7200-5760=1440 dollars a year of food alone. see where this is going?

the man has the skills and know how to make this happen and get inflation down while still having fair wages. after you factor in all your cost of living per year with the lower taxes lowered inflation etc you have a better standards of living with a economy more willing to spend money.

the key is stability and predictably. corporations do need to be managed better and profit margins and wages/unit price do need to have a ratio that is fair to the economy and people.

thing that will fix that is increased tarric taxes decreased inflation and lower taxes WHILE lower inflation( corporate profit margins is just another name for price gouging/inflation)

if i can afford to sell my woofers @ 500 bucks but the consumer can afford to pay 800 im going to charge 800 but in a fair system id sell them for 500.. the system is rigged in favor of the seller which then holds his money to get richer

while the consumer works harder to buy the same product when he doesn't have to. ultimately this is why you see the top 1% owning everything. those greedy bastards need to be put in check. how? stop consuming.

 

[Roland 10+ year member]

oh this is just amazing, trump is absolutely destroying everyone! just swept every single state up for voting today...savage!
Live Blog: Trump Sweeps East Coast Primaries, Clinton Wins 4 of 5 - NBC News

No doubt he did Great. 6 back to back OVER 50% victorys. He is definitely back in the game. IF he can win Indiana it's over and he will win.

But he's still going to get killed by Hillary.

The 6 Blue states he just won, Hillary and Bernie beat him by 90%!!!

And... Those 6 states had record low Republic turn outs!! This is bad news for Republicans.

 

[The_Quiet_One 10+ year member]

you got it all wrong son. what the problem is is simply this. the fucktards in office have lower tariff taxes and likewise taxation on imported goods.so low that they have a clear advantage. also the unions are killing small business and medium sized business because of the prices they impose of business.
example. shipping companies and manfucturing companies often pay top dollar for positions that need no real skill set. IE UPS drivers get paid 35 dollars an hour to drive a truck and off load packages. this drivers the price of manufacturing up and its not even directly related to the manufacture of the product itself. in order for us to compete we have to lower inflation and get wages in a manageable position. im not saying pay them like ****., im saying 35 to drive a truck is abit over kill. 25 dollars is much more realistic. with the lower taxation he proposes a truck driver that works 5 days a week will still clear 60k a year. again after you get inflation in control(which is the REAL problem) 60K is more like what 70K is currently. you see where is going? its all fixable by adjusting each thing a little at a time. fact the more you make the more they take.

lets say we lower wages by 15% and inflation by 15% you have more than a 30% gain. becasue where you was making 80k a year at a 30% effective rate with a plan like trumps you could cut taxes to 15% and cut wages 15%

so lets say you averaged 50 hours a week at 35 and hour

40*52=2080 hours flat time @ 35 hour 72.800

10*52=520 time and 1/2 so that's 27,300

total gross income of 100,100. that puts you in a 28% tax bracket so 72,072

with the wage adjustment and new tax bracket..

52,000 on straight time

19,500+52000=71,500

71500*.85=60,775. a net adjustment of 17.303 dollars per individual in taxes. but you make less moey you say? sure but this cause inflation to go down and driver companies cost and prices to do down drastically.

with a 10% increase on tariff taxes(that we dont see the government sees) will more than make up for the tax cuts on the american people!

so inflation does down 20%

lets say you spend 600 a month on food just for starters. 600*12 7200

7200*.8=5760. 7200-5760=1440 dollars a year of food alone. see where this is going?

the man has the skills and know how to make this happen and get inflation down while still having fair wages. after you factor in all your cost of living per year with the lower taxes lowered inflation etc you have a better standards of living with a economy more willing to spend money.

the key is stability and predictably. corporations do need to be managed better and profit margins and wages/unit price do need to have a ratio that is fair to the economy and people.

thing that will fix that is increased tarric taxes decreased inflation and lower taxes WHILE lower inflation( corporate profit margins is just another name for price gouging/inflation)

if i can afford to sell my woofers @ 500 bucks but the consumer can afford to pay 800 im going to charge 800 but in a fair system id sell them for 500.. the system is rigged in favor of the seller which then holds his money to get richer

while the consumer works harder to buy the same product when he doesn't have to. ultimately this is why you see the top 1% owning everything. those greedy bastards need to be put in check. how? stop consuming.

Refer to the few posts above. I'm not going to clutter wew lads thread any further. If you really want to continue this discussion I'll reply fully via PM if you wish or we can make a new thread, but brief summary: You have good points, but that approach is not very conservative and good luck getting that pushed through.

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

Refer to the few posts above. I'm not going to clutter wew lads thread any further. If you really want to continue this discussion I'll reply fully via PM if you wish or we can make a new thread, but brief summary: You have good points, but that approach is not very conservative and good luck getting that pushed through.

its the problem to the solution. nothing else matters. its the reality of life my man. i myself will take a 10% pay cut for a 10% tax detection IF the corporations stop inflation and make the "fair trade" act a thing of the past. funny how its called fair trade but its anything but fair to the american people.

 

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No doubt he did Great. 6 back to back OVER 50% victorys. He is definitely back in the game. IF he can win Indiana it's over and he will win.
But he's still going to get killed by Hillary.

The 6 Blue states he just won, Hillary and Bernie beat him by 90%!!!

oh so now i'm right? or not yet?

 

[Roland 10+ year member]

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oh so now i'm right? or not yet?

No no no, not yet. He has to get Indiana. I still don't see It, but his momentum is better than expected.

We knew he would win those 6 states, Pennsylvania was the only one possibile in play because the way they handle delegates.

Cruz blew it with his timing on him and Kasich splitting there efforts. Trump owns the victim cards and he is a master at playing it. Cruz and Kasich played right into that one. Had they did that 4 weeks ago it wouldn't have been a issue. It just normal politics.