Official Betting on Plane treadmill thread.

[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

$10 says the experiement either fails or is inconclusive.
If the plane flies., you get $10.

Ill take that.

 

[PV Audio 5,000+ posts]

The problem with this riddle is that it is only as difficult as you make it. Some people read it differently, and depending on your interpretation, you have different results. Can a plane, on a treadmill, unrestrained and tries to take off eventually build up the airspeed to take off? Without question, it's retarded to think otherwise. Can a plane, on a treadmill, where the speed of the treadmill constantly matches the speed of the wheels (implying friction), eventually take off? No, not within the constraints of the question. Therefore, the way mythbusters tests this riddle depends entirely on if their interpretation matches your own, meaning betting on something that may not even happen is kinda silly.

 

[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

The problem with this riddle is that it is only as difficult as you make it. Some people read it differently, and depending on your interpretation, you have different results. Can a plane, on a treadmill, unrestrained and tries to take off eventually build up the airspeed to take off? Without question, it's retarded to think otherwise. Can a plane, on a treadmill, where the speed of the treadmill constantly matches the speed of the wheels (implying friction), eventually take off? No, not within the constraints of the question. Therefore, the way mythbusters tests this riddle depends entirely on if their interpretation matches your own, meaning betting on something that may not even happen is kinda silly.

Um...Yes the plane will still take off no matter how fast the treadmill is going in matched speed.

As stated...rollerblades, treadmill, rope tied to tree...Can you pull yourself forward?

Now, betting discussion only. Put your money where you mouth is or GTFO my thread nub.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

The problem with this riddle is that it is only as difficult as you make it. Some people read it differently, and depending on your interpretation, you have different results. Can a plane, on a treadmill, unrestrained and tries to take off eventually build up the airspeed to take off? Without question, it's retarded to think otherwise. Can a plane, on a treadmill, where the speed of the treadmill constantly matches the speed of the wheels (implying friction), eventually take off? No, not within the constraints of the question. Therefore, the way mythbusters tests this riddle depends entirely on if their interpretation matches your own, meaning betting on something that may not even happen is kinda silly.

Which is why I am betting on the show's conclusion rather than the actual results of the experiment. I don't know enough about physics to know whether it will fly or not. But I do know enough about the show to bet the hosts are unable to succesfully "bust" the myth. That is why I chose inconclusive, because I think it will halfway work, but the design of the experiment will cause failure. Knowledge of physics isn't as important as knowledge of probabilities in this instance.

As soon as it says myth busted or any other phrase that indicates the experiment was a success, I will gladly pay $10. Whether the plane could fly with a better experiment is none of my concern.

 

[shortyg83 10+ year member]

Um...Yes the plane will still take off no matter how fast the treadmill is going in matched speed.As stated...rollerblades, treadmill, rope tied to tree...Can you pull yourself forward?

Now, betting discussion only. Put your money where you mouth is or GTFO my thread nub.

except the plane doesn't have a rope it has air. So comparing the 2 would be like making the rope never ending so you would never pull yourself forward. A plane needs lift on its wings. The engine will make the wheels go forward but since the conveyor is essential taking that away the plane will never build up lift. This should be an easy 10 bucks for me. Unless they screw up the experiment. I dont think they will be able to control a conveyor good enough.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

except the plane doesn't have a rope it has air. So comparing the 2 would be like making the rope never ending so you would never pull yourself forward. A plane needs lift on its wings. The engine will make the wheels go forward but since the conveyor is essential taking that away the plane will never build up lift. This should be an easy 10 bucks for me. Unless they screw up the experiment. I dont think they will be able to control a conveyor good enough.

If the experiement fails then you win.

I am thinking everyone is losing sight on exactly what they are betting on.

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

prop's will force air over the wings.

 

[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

except the plane doesn't have a rope it has air. So comparing the 2 would be like making the rope never ending so you would never pull yourself forward. A plane needs lift on its wings. The engine will make the wheels go forward but since the conveyor is essential taking that away the plane will never build up lift. This should be an easy 10 bucks for me. Unless they screw up the experiment. I dont think they will be able to control a conveyor good enough.

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The planes "rope" is its propeller. Since the propeller has no control over the wheels just the air around it, it will generate enough forward thrust to move the plane forward.

So even if the runway is going 75mph backwards and the plane is thrusting forward, the initial thrust from the plane will allow the plane to move while the wheels move twice the speed of the runway...overtaking its issue.

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

how much are you up to jntar?

im interested, but i know it will/should work, but i also feel pretty confident the experiment will be effed up.

 

[shortyg83 10+ year member]

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The planes "rope" is its propeller. Since the propeller has no control over the wheels just the air around it, it will generate enough forward thrust to move the plane forward.

So even if the runway is going 75mph backwards and the plane is thrusting forward, the initial thrust from the plane will allow the plane to move while the wheels move twice the speed of the runway...overtaking its issue.

if the initial thrust isn't matched by the conveyor then this experiment = fail

for this to be done correctly any forward movement by the plane must be matched.

 

[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

if the initial thrust isn't matched by the conveyor then this experiment = failfor this to be done correctly any forward movement by the plane must be matched.

Incorrect...

The max speed of the conveyer can only be the speed of the planes takeoff. So if the plane needs 100mph the conveyer can only do 100mph.

The plane can throttle up and move forward...

As far as the experiment messing up...

Flip and myself have a "side bet" Either they(mythbusters) mess up or the plane takes off.

Everyone else is either pass fail. They prove it is true you get paid. They prove it can fly, I get paid. They fail at making a working model...the bet is null.

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

if the initial thrust isn't matched by the conveyor then this experiment = failfor this to be done correctly any forward movement by the plane must be matched.

incorrect, completely. you would have to actually apply force to the plane itself in order to stop the planes movement. and that is not the test in question.

how about if the amount of force the treadmill produces is equal to the amount of force the airplane produces? that is, in essence, going to produce the effect of the plane staying stationary, right? using the theory force = mass x acceleration.

if there is an equal force from the treadmill in the opposite direction of the force from the airplane, the airplane wont move, right? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

Incorrect...
The max speed of the conveyer can only be the speed of the planes takeoff. So if the plane needs 100mph the conveyer can only do 100mph.

The plane can throttle up and move forward...

As far as the experiment messing up...

Flip and myself have a "side bet" Either they(mythbusters) mess up or the plane takes off.

Everyone else is either pass fail. They prove it is true you get paid. They prove it can fly, I get paid. They fail at making a working model...the bet is null.

you = faster fingers //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

i wanted in on that side bet //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

 

[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

you = faster fingers //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif
i wanted in on that side bet //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

I dont have full confidence in them so I dont want to lose all my money from that bet. I do however have full confidence that the plane will take off, so Ill take that bet.

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

I dont have full confidence in them so I dont want to lose all my money from that bet. I do however have full confidence that the plane will take off, so Ill take that bet.

check out my earlier post. i said the same thing, plane will take off assuming they dont screw it up. but i am pretty confident they will screw something up...

oh well, ill just stay out of this one //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif