***Offical 08/09 NBA thread!***

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Ok so how does Detroit normally defend the pick and roll?

 

[Lugnutz 10+ year member]

Ok so how does Detroit normally defend the pick and roll?

it depends on the personnel. I haven't watched much of this season with Curry, but under Larry Brown and Rick Carlisle, Detroit generally plays man and doesn't switch off very often. Usually Prince plays off the ball handler and goes under the screen because he has the length to recover and effect an outside shot. Hamilton generally goes over the screen because he has the quickness to stay in front of the dribbler. You generally see Detroit collapse a lot on a dribbler because their rotations are generally excellent and can reach the perimeter shooters if the ball handler decides to go outside.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

I think the best use of AI is very similar to what is possible in Detroit. Have him play the two, and get the ball on the wing coming off a screen near the key. It gives him a chance to look at a jumper, drive the ball, or run a pick and roll with whomever set the screen (Rasheed?). You have to design an offense that can let Iverson shoot his 30+ FG's when he's on, but allow him to move the ball to good secondary scorers as well. The Pistons will continue to improve their offense as the players gel, I just doubt that they will be able to make the Finals.

Last time I posted here it was about Bosh. I still argue that Bird Rights make it more likely that he'll re-sign with the Raptors, since they can effectively match any offer from another team (money wise), but you have to wonder if Colangelo can put the pieces around him that are necessary to entice him to stay in Toronto.

Dunk competition is going to **** balls this year.

 

[Lugnutz 10+ year member]

Also under Flip Saunders they played a lot of zone and got burned with the pick and roll

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

How Detroit defends the pick and roll depends on who is pick and rolling, and where they are. Some players they trap, some they force the ball handler to get the ball out of his hands, some they simply deny the ball to the big, etc. For example, you don't go over the pick with a guy like Chris Paul unless the pick happens right at the sidelines and your big man can get a trap started. Otherwise he'll step by the big-man and he's on his way to the rack.

 

[Lugnutz 10+ year member]

How Detroit defends the pick and roll depends on who is pick and rolling, and where they are. Some players they trap, some they force the ball handler to get the ball out of his hands, some they simply deny the ball to the big, etc. For example, you don't go over the pick with a guy like Chris Paul unless the pick happens right at the sidelines and your big man can get a trap started. Otherwise he'll step by the big-man and he's on his way to the rack.

Yea I agree. Like I said it depends on the personnel. You really can't answer such a broad question like how they defend the pick and roll. In 07 they did a lot of trapping against Cleveland in the ECF, but they rarely do a lot of trapping. Under Brown and Carlisle it was all about keeping the ball out of the paint and forcing them into long range jump shots and rotating defense. Since then you have seen more dribble penetration as Billups tried to go over the screen a lot and got burned a lot, and the rotation weren't as quick as they used to be.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

I think trapping against Cleveland is more dangerous now than it has ever been. I say let Lebron take 20+ ft jump shots, don't give up the easy 3's to players on the wing, and make sure that, if you're going to double Lebron or bring help, get there early. Even the best big men in the league have a hard time stopping LBJ once he accelerates towards the basket.

When playing the pick and roll against them, deny the pass to the big out of the pick. Let LBJ roll parallel to the baseline; when he decides to drive, you can angle him toward the sidelines. Either way, a lot easier said than done.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

How Detroit defends the pick and roll depends on who is pick and rolling, and where they are. Some players they trap, some they force the ball handler to get the ball out of his hands, some they simply deny the ball to the big, etc. For example, you don't go over the pick with a guy like Chris Paul unless the pick happens right at the sidelines and your big man can get a trap started. Otherwise he'll step by the big-man and he's on his way to the rack.

why would you take it to the rack? if that happened in a game that becomes in effect a 5 on 3 or 5 on 4 with the picker/big man more than likely rolling to the basket?

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

why would you take it to the rack? if that happened in a game that becomes in effect a 5 on 3 or 5 on 4 with the picker/big man more than likely rolling to the basket?

Well look at the example I gave. Typical NO pick and roll is either Chandler and Paul, or West and Paul. Chandler and Paul works out much the way you describe it, except Chandler rolls to the far-side of the basket and Paul drives to the near-side. When they do Paul and West, it is more often Paul driving far-side or down the middle and then dishing to West going near-side, West at the elbow, or West closer to the baseline from 10-18 ft.

 

[Lugnutz 10+ year member]

I think trapping against Cleveland is more dangerous now than it has ever been. I say let Lebron take 20+ ft jump shots, don't give up the easy 3's to players on the wing, and make sure that, if you're going to double Lebron or bring help, get there early. Even the best big men in the league have a hard time stopping LBJ once he accelerates towards the basket.
When playing the pick and roll against them, deny the pass to the big out of the pick. Let LBJ roll parallel to the baseline; when he decides to drive, you can angle him toward the sidelines. Either way, a lot easier said than done.

Detroit got burned when they trapped and he kicked it out to boobie. With the Pistons current lineup, you could probably match Prince on Ben Wallace and Hamilton on James and bring Prince on the double team. Only thing you'd have to watch for is a lob or a pass to a cutting Ben Wallace. Ben isn't going to be knocking down jumpers. Now Cleveland has even more consistent perimeter shooters so it's even harder to defend the pick and roll against them. Mo Williams lit up Detroit in their last game, but James was something like 8-21 so they did a good job keeping James out of the paint but surrendered the 3 ball to Williams.

 

[chenface 10+ year member]

^^^^^^
After that bigfagtheory just added his usual garbage and chenface talked about post count //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

I stated that point because you are a computer geek who's does nothing but post on a car audio forum. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

40 posts a day isn't healthy dude.

Go out and get laid, my friend. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[Lugnutz 10+ year member]

I stated that point because you are a computer geek who's does nothing but post on a car audio forum. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif
40 posts a day isn't healthy dude.

Go out and get laid, my friend. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Are you suggesting I quit my job so I can decrease my PPD to appease you?

 

[chenface 10+ year member]

Are you suggesting I quit my job so I can decrease my PPD to appease you?

No, but that would be nice //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

Anyways, the Lakers are playing much better defense now. They take a 4 day break and prepare for Utah. Looking forward to that game.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

If you get past a defender there are more options to go by when you get past a trap in a half court set. if you are around the three point line then turn up toward the basket there will be an inside player open and at least one outside shooter open as the defense tries to recover and collapse on the ball....If they start to collapse late is the only time you take it to the hole with bad intent LOL otherwise you kick it for a lay up to the player roling or to a shooter that is open...

 

[chenface 10+ year member]

Happy 24th birthday King James. Is it just me, or did it feel like just yesterday he was still in high school.