Obama is gonna tax your soda...

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

$20 extra per bottle booze tax

A man after my heart.

So he can break it.

 

[mcsoul 10+ year member]

A man after my heart.


So he can break it.

I would never advocate a consumption tax. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

And your argument would be hollow. It is a matter of the government making choices for us and imposing them through the tax code. Of course, this is not new. I am sure that each time this has been done people have made the "slippery slope" argument, warning that this would eventually lead to government involvement in the simplest of decisions. Well, it looks like we have reached that point and you and your ilk are pleased to be shed of the burdens of living in a free society. Meanwhile, those of us who willingly accept the responsibilities of being men are stuck in a society of your design, made for children.

Social policy through incentives is nothing new. I don't see the difference in making the motivation economic vs. another forms of incentives, such as incarceration.



**** economicus (or however you want to say it) doesn't exist. We must operative in the positive, not the normative.

I just said that, in the post you quoted.
One difference is that by using the tax code they are able to prohibit what the public would never accept if they attempted to use the penal code. We have seen that reflected ITT. People actually buy into the rationale that you are still free to do "it", regardless if "it" is cost prohibitive.

For me, it's not a matter of the cost of a bottle of soda. It's a matter of watching your civil liberties being stripped away, and knowing that a good portion of the citizens are so ignorant they do not even realize what is happening.

I will put it to you this way. I don't drink pop enough to care if they are stripping this by any means they wish to use. It is a non-issue for me, so I don't wish to exert the energy in fighting it. When they hit me somewhere where I actually have feelings then I will stand and yell atop the mountains with you, so that all may hear me. Until then, I will watch you rock in your chair on the porch and widdle wood, while telling fantastic stories of yesteryear.

You two bastards either can't comprehend what you read or you are trolling hard, up in here.

I am going with the latter.

 

[its_bacon12 10+ year member]

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif No, what you must do if you're a republican is research whatever you can to make Obama look bad and then //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crying.gif.ec0ebefe590df0251476573bc49e46d8.gif about it on a public forum. That is how they plan to win the next election because the only person they can bank on is Palin. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Lol.. Ironic how the last 8 years that was the tactic of the libs with GW.

And you obviously know nothing about the next election if you think the GOP is relying solely on Palin. I can think of 3 others off the top of my head.

 

[its_bacon12 10+ year member]

It would be interesting to see some imperial data on the price elasticity of demand for these types of products (Soda, Fast Food, Desserts). My sense would they would by relatively inelastic to "healthy" substitutes up to a 2-3X their current costs. A $3 Big Mac raised to $5-$6 then becomes more of a competitive decision to lets say a $6 Subway item.
To McSoul's comment on Freedom of liberty I would argue that you're still free to consume these items that create a negative externality. You will just be forced to pay a higher price.

I would argue the opposite, and I don't know what healthy subsitutes you're talking about that cost 2-3x..

Juices for example, unless you get the premium kinds, are about the same price as sodas are now, give or take a little.

Regardless though, the tax isn't enough for people to notice. $.03 is a very marginal amount and I highly doubt anyone would really notice a big difference other than the manufacturers who deal with massive volumes. Soda is elastic but it's an insignificant amount that's only material in large volumes, unless retailers take advantage of it and raise prices 10 cents and pocket the 70% remaining.

It's all speculative anyway right now as to what may happen.

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

You two bastards either can't comprehend what you read or you are trolling hard, up in here.
I am going with the latter.

I comprehend the reading. I am just expressing, why should I care about liberties that don't affect me? When it comes to something I care about or is truly effecting me, then I will worry about such matters.

For you, the fight is worthy on principle alone. On my lazy, narrow, ego-centric view, it is not.

I think I will probably think the way you do when I am an old bitter man as well. Then I can bitch about the government taxing air we breath to youngsters who have no idea what awaits them.

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

Why would anyone be surprised at the ridiculous attempts at spending and taxation increases being proposed of late?

This is just the beginning people... as a whole, this country voted for it, we wanted it... now we've got it.

Best to settle in for the long haul.

 

[mcsoul 10+ year member]

Why would anyone be surprised at the ridiculous attempts at spending and taxation increases being proposed of late?
This is just the beginning people... as a whole, this country voted for it, we wanted it... now we've got it.

Best to settle in for the long haul.

Best to offer people a clear alternative, instead of watered down more of the same.

 

[Brian_smith06 10+ year member]

I can't believe a brotha wanna tax Orange Soda

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[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I will put it to you this way. I don't drink pop enough to care if they are stripping this by any means they wish to use. It is a non-issue for me, so I don't wish to exert the energy in fighting it. When they hit me somewhere where I actually have feelings then I will stand and yell atop the mountains with you, so that all may hear me. Until then, I will watch you rock in your chair on the porch and widdle wood, while telling fantastic stories of yesteryear.

There is an analogy relating to the Jews that goes something like this.

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

yup