HEY wonderbreadthanks for all your help but unfortunately no matter what we could do it (in this case) would always result on the negative side..... it was the amp it was defected i took it to a local shop to bench test it and it was bad..... so i returned it and got another one (same as the first) came home installed it and my headache and fustration started to fade:veryhapp: . so thank you very much i still have to do some find tuning on the gain.