if he cant afford the combo then how will he be able to afford 2 k's and some other amp? the preorder combo is probably the best deal u can get, very very cheap.
jlaine
10+ year member
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This from the mouth of a drone?
Consider me thinking clearly now for the first time in a good long while.
Can't say the same about you though.
why are u jacking the thread? PM him if u wana have an efight
jlaine
10+ year member
Vaporware
why r u responding to me? wanna e-fight?
Why don't you do yourself a favor and look who decided he couldn't handle the topic so decided it'd be better to call me a punk teenager. I'm responding in kind.
So tell me this since I've got someone's attention now... What do you do delvryboy:
When a product changes, for the 40th time, but it's because of someone elses fault, clearly not eD's?
You don't seriously think all this crap is nobody's fault do you?
You don't seriously think the 'build house' (THINK, he's on the 3rd and 4th stable US based one now, doesn't that RING some alarms?) or the 'customers' or 'overseas vendors' are all at fault every time - do you? (or hell, perhaps you do... I'm sorry!)
When a product breaks, during regular use - and you are to call it user error? (every other company I know sucks it up and says "hey, we did wrong, we'll fix it" - if it's obviously their fault... Not eD... With them it's "Hey, you screwed this up, but we are going to be nice guys and let you wait for 8 weeks for a new one that may not be like the one you bought in the first place, but you should be happy we are helping you at all."
When you push yet another preorder until your head expodes, and then you spend the next 3 months praying for them to actually ship?
eD does their best to blindside and *** kiss in the attempt to make up for a horribly inept business structure and support. (which you are now a shining example of, congratulations)
Wake up - you don't know half the story yet, when you do you'll hate it.
Here's a news flash - your 'boy' will throw you to the sharks as soon as he sees a path that leads toward a more lucrative gain without you.
You are seriously delusional if you think he's innocent in any of this, and is just being picked on by people.
What do people think when they think eD? "Cheap... and uh... seems to break a lot..."
Don't give me this CRAP load about how "most of the satisified customers don't report their satisifaction" - I've seen eD's awesome reliability rating firsthand - a hell of a lot more than you have.
Randy Savage
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ED has never mislead/lied about anything...
I mean, there were only 2 failed 15A drivers. Ever. I swear.
I mean, there were only 2 failed 15A drivers. Ever. I swear.
jlaine
10+ year member
Vaporware
5 in under a single competition season I witnessed (one was in an SQ car, of all things.) That's not counting the 2 15SP's I reglued every time they were burped.
Never exceeded Xsus, just can't hack it's own backwave in a decently designed box.
But it's user error... Honest.
(You know what's even more strange? The user still has it (fixed) and doesn't run it right now... But will soon, and fully expects it to eventually break...
Awesome feeling...
Randy Savage
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Lies, Josh- ALL LIES!!!
2 failed. That's it.
2!!!
jlaine
10+ year member
Vaporware
Let us ask our new eD rep then....
Because I'm clearly just holding a grudge.
(More like I'm finally sick of this crap, and won't bite my tongue anymore - you sit where you are and wait you new faithful eD rep - you'll see.)
So which is the new coolest product?
The 15AE, 15A V2, 15a.22, 15A, 15SP, Uh... did I miss something?
O... the newest badassenist 16.something.dada.cool.v3
:thumbsupw
I'm all for it - and now I realize, it's all MY fault.
95RAM
10+ year member
CarAudio.com Elite
so that is why the subs have really fu(ked up model numbers
Randy Savage
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I like the anniversary edition- "celebrating one year of launching cones clear off of the basket and sending formers flying through the sexy nomex, we salute you, eD"
i didn't come here for a pissing match, nor do i regularly get into one.
what do you expect me to think? you had praise for them up untill the SIN incident, which i honestly don't know the details, nor do i really want to. thats your personal business.
as far as product changes, yes, i have faith that the current line will remain for quite some time. however, i, nor anybody else knows what the future holds. you should also know, i don't follow anybody or any manufaturer, i am far from product loyal. my MECA set-up uses an RE driver. why? because they have what i need, not because i want to run RE //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
warranty issues, you know very well that i had a couple of busted 15A's. never has Ben, or any individual affiliated with eD ever said that it was user fault. my response was always "put this RA number on the box, send it back, and we will get it taken care of ASAP. the only people that have ever made those claims are individuals on the net, most of whom never even had experience with the driver. you can search everywhere, i have always defended the user. the problems with that driver were never user error(as far as i know), nor was it a problem with the cone breaking, you also know that. i also have no intentions of sitting here trying to defend a company because of prior mistakes. if there is a problem with any of the new line, whatever may/may not arise, let me know, i will deal with it the best i can.
reputation? actually, they have an excellent rep on the net, except for a few disgruntled individuals. some of which have no prior experience with eD products. like i said, i am not exactly sure what your issues are, but in all reality, they are none of my business.
maybe the company will flop in the future, maybe it will blossem into something wonderful. either way, i will find out without hearing ramblings of someone who has a personal vendetta against the company.
if there is something you feel i should be aware of, please feel free to email me at delvryboy@comcast.com
as long as there are no more questions about the new line-up or the pre-order, i am done with this thread.
what do you expect me to think? you had praise for them up untill the SIN incident, which i honestly don't know the details, nor do i really want to. thats your personal business.
as far as product changes, yes, i have faith that the current line will remain for quite some time. however, i, nor anybody else knows what the future holds. you should also know, i don't follow anybody or any manufaturer, i am far from product loyal. my MECA set-up uses an RE driver. why? because they have what i need, not because i want to run RE //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
warranty issues, you know very well that i had a couple of busted 15A's. never has Ben, or any individual affiliated with eD ever said that it was user fault. my response was always "put this RA number on the box, send it back, and we will get it taken care of ASAP. the only people that have ever made those claims are individuals on the net, most of whom never even had experience with the driver. you can search everywhere, i have always defended the user. the problems with that driver were never user error(as far as i know), nor was it a problem with the cone breaking, you also know that. i also have no intentions of sitting here trying to defend a company because of prior mistakes. if there is a problem with any of the new line, whatever may/may not arise, let me know, i will deal with it the best i can.
reputation? actually, they have an excellent rep on the net, except for a few disgruntled individuals. some of which have no prior experience with eD products. like i said, i am not exactly sure what your issues are, but in all reality, they are none of my business.
maybe the company will flop in the future, maybe it will blossem into something wonderful. either way, i will find out without hearing ramblings of someone who has a personal vendetta against the company.
if there is something you feel i should be aware of, please feel free to email me at delvryboy@comcast.com
as long as there are no more questions about the new line-up or the pre-order, i am done with this thread.
jlaine
10+ year member
Vaporware
You hold yourself in higher esteem than you should - I had no idea you had a couple of busted 15 A's (which makes this even more ironic than normal - and all that much more sad.)
Ben nor any individual from eD never claimed it was user error? (lie)
The cone never broke? (lie) I watched two out of our 5 do just that.
I suppose I really cannot call the first a lie as I doubt you realize half of what's been said, but the fact is - you aren't right.
But hey, I'm supposed to contact you and let you get aware, but on the other hand you are going to find out 'without hearing ramblings of someone who has a personal vendetta against the company.' //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif You are confusing yourself now. (If you ever feel like getting the info - meet me in person. I'll sit you down and walk you through everything - and I'll be sure to have 3rd party people there to back up the information, since I'm sure you won't believe me.)
I've got nothing against the company - I have something against the way they run things. I'm tired of smoothing over their crap - and your boy has proven to me he's not worth my effort of doing just that, so I'm going to state my opinion as I see it now. Don't like it? Guess you are in a bad position then.
You can sit there from your standpoint and say whatever you like, but you had better up that faith a little - because faith isn't going to dig you out of where you are putting yourself. I found that out firsthand.
Josh,
It's not as if eD's the first company to have problems with a build house...Scott @ Onyx let me in on a few of the details involving his past problems with Destilj, and then the problems he had with the cone vendors for the LSMv.2. These problems attributed to why he had to close his doors...shit just took too long, or it wasn't built correctly.
Adire hasn't been immune, either. People are starting to forget about the large number of Brahma problems that occurred about 1.5-2 years ago. They were blowing quite consistently there for awhile on the MKI.
Either way, I'd rather Ben have to change things up yearly than stick with a build house that can't provide products on time that meet the req's. I do know quite a few of the details, and unfortunately I'm not allowed to divulge them, but many of the problems eD's had have NOT been under their control. I certainly doubt Ben likes having to change products yearly; it's an expensive process, and then we have to listen to people like yourself ***** about it all the time.
Yeah, I'm an eD rep now, but I've been an online supporter of Ben's for several years now. You'll find I'm not saying anything different than I have in the past 3 years. Ben is a good guy, plain and simple.
It's not as if eD's the first company to have problems with a build house...Scott @ Onyx let me in on a few of the details involving his past problems with Destilj, and then the problems he had with the cone vendors for the LSMv.2. These problems attributed to why he had to close his doors...shit just took too long, or it wasn't built correctly.
Adire hasn't been immune, either. People are starting to forget about the large number of Brahma problems that occurred about 1.5-2 years ago. They were blowing quite consistently there for awhile on the MKI.
Either way, I'd rather Ben have to change things up yearly than stick with a build house that can't provide products on time that meet the req's. I do know quite a few of the details, and unfortunately I'm not allowed to divulge them, but many of the problems eD's had have NOT been under their control. I certainly doubt Ben likes having to change products yearly; it's an expensive process, and then we have to listen to people like yourself ***** about it all the time.
Yeah, I'm an eD rep now, but I've been an online supporter of Ben's for several years now. You'll find I'm not saying anything different than I have in the past 3 years. Ben is a good guy, plain and simple.
i agree, and for jlaine to be talking ish about ED and theyr service and build quality, i find that kind of ironic. Like Adire has never had any problems with the brahmas...... :rollseyes:
Spkrman
Banned
AMEN! Screw brands as a whole, it HAS to go product by product. People who say they would NEVER run RF... I'm sure they would jump for a pair of TRF's...
It comes down to what works best for you in your application, not what brand it is.
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