My Theory of Human Nature

[samson 10+ year member]

That is a tremendous claim to make in one sentence. You can't just call conformity beneficial and nonconformity detrimental without defining good/bad. Your argument is just as empty as the OP's.

I think conformity often has to do more with the easiest option avaiable, not necessarily what is right or wrong (good/bad). Right or wrong is the same as morality, I'm not sure we can define it.

 

[MikeofTulsa Moderator]

You just said that morality is a learned behavior, and being so also implies relative, so how could it be in decline? Have people stopped learning? You are failing to differentiate between your morality and morality as a concept. If morality is learned and fluid, not intrinsic and rigid, than consequentially it can not possibly be in decline; it can only change to better fit the needs of the society.
I also don't think that even those sharing your morality can be classified as nonconformists... unless you are Amish? This country is still pretty friggen WASP'ish.

i do not wish to discuss this with you faulkton because your vast vocabulary > mine. im sure you understand what i am trying to say. if you wisht o discuss it further i do believe you have my aim name.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

That is a tremendous claim to make in one sentence.

That's because i'm tremendous.

You can't just call conformity beneficial and nonconformity detrimental without defining good/bad. Your argument is just as empty as the OP's.

beneficial = realization of positive or intended outcomes

detrimental = realization of negative outcomes.

If you need anymore help catching up, consult a dictionary.

It is possible

That's what i was thinking.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

My question is will a complete lack of agreement regarding moral standards within a given society eventually lead to dissention, chaos and perhaps that society's eventual downfall?

that depends on if you ask a structural functionalist or a conflict theorist //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[Hundreth 10+ year member]

beneficial = realization of positive or intended outcomes

detrimental = realization of negative outcomes.

Exactly what I meant was that you haven't proposed what the intended outcome is, therefore you can't argue that conformity leads there. Nice try though.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

i do not wish to discuss this with you faulkton because your vast vocabulary > mine. im sure you understand what i am trying to say. if you wisht o discuss it further i do believe you have my aim name.

no harm done.

 

[Hundreth 10+ year member]

I think conformity often has to do more with the easiest option avaiable, not necessarily what is right or wrong (good/bad). Right or wrong is the same as morality, I'm not sure we can define it.

Yea sorry I didn't mean good/bad like that, I meant that you can't just say conformity leads to your intended outcome without defining what your intended outcome is. Sorry for the word fumble.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Exactly what I meant was that you haven't proposed what the intended outcome is, therefore you can't argue that conformity leads there. Nice try though.

wtf are you talking about?

Conforming to social expectations, specifically values and norms, carries with it benefits and nonconformity carries consequences. Something doesn't have to be intended or directional to be positive.

If you think that nonconformity to social expectations is overall more beneficial to the ideal type human in society, i guess we will just have to disagree.

 

[samson 10+ year member]

Enough brain twisting for one day. 'Bout miller time! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/yumyum.gif.0556df42231b304b9c995aefd13928a8.gif

Later all!

 

[Hundreth 10+ year member]

wtf are you talking about?
Conforming to social expectations, specifically values and norms, carries with it benefits and nonconformity carries consequences. Something doesn't have to be intended or directional to be positive.

If you think that nonconformity to social expectations is overall more beneficial to the ideal type human in society, i guess we will just have to disagree.

I never said that nonconformity is more beneficial. What I said was that you can't make that claim. Its easy to find an example of a conformist who is miserably depressed while finding a nonconformist extremely happy. Thats if happiness is your intended outcome, if political success is your intended outcome, then maybe conformity is beneficial... I don't know. I hope you can see how your argument means nothing until you define what your intended outcome is.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

I never said that nonconformity is more beneficial. What I said was that you can't make that claim. Its easy to find an example of a conformist who is miserably depressed while finding a nonconformist extremely happy. Thats if happiness is your intended outcome, if political success is your intended outcome, then maybe conformity is beneficial... I don't know. I hope you can see how your argument means nothing until you define what your intended outcome is.

It should have been apparent that i am arguing from a macros level perspective and have no interest individual anecdotes.

Conforming = better access to societal resources if nothing else.

 

[Hundreth 10+ year member]

It should have been apparent that i am arguing from a macros level perspective and have no interest individual anecdotes.

You were responding to Mike's individual anecdote. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

Conforming = better access to societal resources if nothing else.

I'll agree with you there.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

You were responding to Mike's individual anecdote. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif


I'll agree with you there.

You just said that morality is a learned behavior, and being so also implies relative, so how could it be in decline? Have people stopped learning? You are failing to differentiate between your morality and morality as a concept. If morality is learned and fluid, not intrinsic and rigid, than consequentially it can not possibly be in decline; it can only change to better fit the needs of the society.

upon further inspection you will find i steered mike away from his individual morality and back toward the macro level, morality as a concept.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

its ok i still wuv you hundy.

 

[Hundreth 10+ year member]

its ok i still wuv you hundy.

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