Originally posted by Savant You guys MISSED the point of the 60 mph thing.. he said that at 60, they SMOKED the tires when they trounced on it.. 60 is not fast, but not many cars (without NOS) are gonna bake tires at 60..
As for ricers (i3abyjay25, this is mostly for you).. I don't think anyone has a serious issue with 'wings' per-se', it's that some people 'think' they get performance out of it on a FWD 4 banger while putting around the city.. FALSE.. and those mufflers really do ****.. loud, whiny, and useless.. the muffler "might" give you 1 or 2 HP increase, but that would be it.. you have to upgrade the ENTIRE exhaust, heads back.. or you don't get much increase.. The sticker thing.. Having a few (read: 2 or 3 MAYBE) isn't a big deal.. it's when these dorks try to look like 'sponsered' race cars.. putting brands on their car for things they don't own.. and implying things as well (like NOS, etc).. it's stupid and serves NO purpose.. looks ugly once you get too many on.. shows a distinct lack honor, if you ask me, to 'brag' about having NOS when you don't.. etc etc etc..
Oh, and for muscle cars "taking off mufflers".. with NO muffler you have more flow than with a muffler.. it's not about being loud (unless the guy is an ass).. if a ricer had NO muffler, I'd understand that more than these huge fat-generators that are just plain annoying.. And, it's illegal to run without a muffler (noise violations), most times a muscle car runs with no muffler it's on a drag strip.. and a lot of that time the headers are actaully not on the block (spacers to provide a tiny bit of back-pressure, but lets most of the heat/exhaust dump right out).. depends on the application..
And, you almost NEVER see a 'nice' muscle car loaded with stickers for "whale tails"... and I promise a supped up 68 Camaro SS (blower/nos, bored, stroked, ported, blue-printed/balanced) will trash ANY 'ricer' car.. (lets not get into a debate about some of the top-of-the-line cars out there, we all know the guy supping up his Civic with a whale tail and neon underbody lights can't afford one of those)..
I have seen some 'F and F' type cars on the road that actually look pretty good.. those aren't the issue (directly).. it's the idiots that know nothing about cars and think the wing helps.. or put big tires on the back of a FWD car..
Personally, I despise LowRiders as well.. hydro on a daily car is sooooo stupid.. kills your suspension and does prescious little else.. again, the attitude plays a lot into it.. The whole "gangsta" thing is soo played out..
The only 'aftermarket' things I think that should be done to ANY vehicle is based on making it look better, sound better (exhaust/stereo/etc), handle better, and run faster.. Plastering tons of stickers on a car is stupid, unless someone is sponsering you to do it.. wings are stupid (on any car but the old Porches //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif ) unless you plan on going over 100mph around a corner.. "coffee can" mufflers are stupid cause that doesn't sound good.. it sounds like crap (I'm guessing they are trying to get the sound of F1 cars.. high pitched scream.. but that noise is distinct since those engines are running at 15,000+ rpm.. not gonna get that from a muffler.. sorry).. 'most' rims are ugly as hell (look for that link to the GTO with 21" rims on it, or somesuch.. UGLY).. it takes just the right rims for 'that' car to look right.. if you get too big for the vehicle it looks stupid.. SUVs were NEVER meant to be slammed to the ground or have 24" rims put on them.. they are 4x4s and meant to be driven off-road.. if you have an SUV that never sees dirt, you are a moron in my book (expensive and waste gas.. for no reason?)
K.. done I guess //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif
Just wanted to point out that it's about the cars per-se' that makes people hate 'ricers', its the flagrent lack of knowledge about what they are putting on (seemingly) and the attitude that if you have a huge tail and tons of stickers and an annoying muffler you are some kind of car-god and people should worship you.. THOSE are the people being attacked here .. at least, that's the way I took it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif