Most harsh speakers you've heard?

[ramos 5,000+ posts]

so whats the diff. between "harsh" tweets and "sharp" tweets isnt it the same thing

semantics //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[altoncustomtech 10+ year member]

Found this neat little tidbit on ZaphAudio.com

"Woofer issues confused with tweeter performance

Related to the above, a poor choice of a crossover point on a woofer (too high) can often lead a person to believe there is a distortion or level problem with a tweeter. A woofer could be generating harmonics well into the range that the tweeter is covering. When a listener declares that they don't like a tweeter they heard in a system, 90% of the time it's the woofer and the design that's actually the problem."

odd order distortion can play a nasty part in what makes a speaker system sound "harsh" as well as installation quality adding to that distortion.... one of the many reasons true SQ competitors use tons of sound deadener everywhere.....

 

[JayRich 10+ year member]

The ED 6000's the first ones. Sounded Terrible and the tweeters were harsh and the midbass was terrible. Good paper weights though lol

 

[headless 10+ year member]

Listing +3db or -3db on an x-over is just perspective. Some companies simply consider an attenuated tweet as 'reference' whereas others consider an un-attenuated tweet as the 'reference' whether you see + or - just depends on their perspective.

 

[edzy 10+ year member]

I was under the impression that the Hexs were the shit.. Ive never heard a set, but had read some good reviews. Biggest complaint was the lack of midbass.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Those cheap boss tweeters.

 

[ric flair 10+ year member]

Found this neat little tidbit on ZaphAudio.com
"Woofer issues confused with tweeter performance

Related to the above, a poor choice of a crossover point on a woofer (too high) can often lead a person to believe there is a distortion or level problem with a tweeter. A woofer could be generating harmonics well into the range that the tweeter is covering. When a listener declares that they don't like a tweeter they heard in a system, 90% of the time it's the woofer and the design that's actually the problem."

odd order distortion can play a nasty part in what makes a speaker system sound "harsh" as well as installation quality adding to that distortion.... one of the many reasons true SQ competitors use tons of sound deadener everywhere.....

so are you saying that having your HPF on 100 would lead to distortion to the mid? I don't see how that is possible.

 

[budahbuddy803 10+ year member]

so are you saying that having your HPF on 100 would lead to distortion to the mid? I don't see how that is possible.

i think he was talking about the LPF being set too high.

 

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

EQ

user error

placement

aiming

reflection

don't lie to me.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

Found this neat little tidbit on ZaphAudio.com
"Woofer issues confused with tweeter performance

Related to the above, a poor choice of a crossover point on a woofer (too high) can often lead a person to believe there is a distortion or level problem with a tweeter. A woofer could be generating harmonics well into the range that the tweeter is covering. When a listener declares that they don't like a tweeter they heard in a system, 90% of the time it's the woofer and the design that's actually the problem."

odd order distortion can play a nasty part in what makes a speaker system sound "harsh" as well as installation quality adding to that distortion.... one of the many reasons true SQ competitors use tons of sound deadener everywhere.....

Nice post. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

Active processing FTMFW !!!!!!!!

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

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don't lie to me.

All lies. No, YOU don't lie to ME!

 

[mbaoo]

sigh...the crossover doesnt make the tweet 3db's louder.. the tweet is prolly just 3db's more sensative than the mid is... so +3 is really 0 for the tweeter. and 0 is -3...

My bad //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

I was just going by what it says on my crossover.

Thanks for letting me know.

 

[altoncustomtech 10+ year member]

so are you saying that having your HPF on 100 would lead to distortion to the mid? I don't see how that is possible.

i think he was talking about the LPF being set too high.

Actually that article is referring to the crossover point of the passive crossover that comes with the componenet sets.... some mids crossed over too high say 4KHz can cause distorted resonances at frequencies the tweeter plays hence it sounds like the tweeter is crap when really its the fault of the design of the crossover. The Hifonics Zeus components I mentioned earlier have that problem REALLY bad.

 

[m3dia_lab 10+ year member]

i had these power acoustic tweets for a temp fill god those things would make my ears bleed!! thank god for silk dome

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

i had these power acoustic tweets for a temp fill god those things would make my ears bleed!! thank god for silk dome

Thats not to say that titanium or other metal tweeters don't have their place. It all depends on the design and application in which the tweeter was intended. My older home speakers (which I don't use at this time because I have new ones) had titanium dome tweeters but you'd NEVER know it by listening to them. I'm not making this up either. When I was auditioning them in the store back in the day I chose these speakers based on the smoothness of the high end. Sure enough they were titanium and I had NO idea what they were made of til I got them home and read the owner's manual. It was a combination of good tweets and excellent crossover design. So titanium tweets aren't all bad, just too often misused.

BTW, the brand of those home speakers were MIRAGE. Model M-290.