MDF vs Trupan vs Fiberglass vs Bamboo.

Build 2 identical boxes one from trupan and one from MDF. Based on wieght, ease of cutting, sanding, and routing. You would only use trupan from now on. IMO well worth the extra $
i agree ,,,,im using birch and its a shit ton lighter than the previous boxes i used

the funny thing is my current boxis bigger than the previous box and its lighter so trupan and birch ftw!!!1

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solid oak FTW

I use to have a mdf box with a plexglass 1/2 thick window on it. eventually the plexy cracked and i needed to replace 1 wall of the box quick. I had 1 piece of oak left over from a inhouse project and it fit perfect. Box sounded better then it ever did. Tho to be honest i dont know anything about how a whole box from oak would sound except it would cost alot more.

 
Unless your dead-set on building your own box, I doubt you would go wrong getting one from fisher. I have a small .7cf box made by him and the craftmanship is superb. A very well put together box all and all. I realize its nothing out of the ordinary, however, I could not have done anywhere near as good a job on it by myself. If you are going to do it by yourself, then use regular mdf. The hassle and cost of getting trupan does not make up for the weight savings unless your building some massive dual chamber bandpass monstrosity. Obviously wear and tear on your equipment is minimal if you are only making a box for yourself, not the bunches that fisher makes...

Cliff notes:

If you want someone to build you a box, I'd recommend fisher day in and day out with his Trupan self.

If you want to build it yourself, go with mdf and rock out.

 
My main beef was with the fact that Fischer claims trupan is "“acoustically dead” as regular MDF."

Neither material is acoustically dead. They both resonate, trupan at a higher frequency being less dense. I would argue, depending ont he dimensions of the box, that switching to the less dense material, although saving weight, would raise the resonant frequency of the box into the subwoofer's bandwidth. In other words, MDF works for subs because it is heavy. Trupan is less dense, and therefore (if sound quality and accurate reproduction of recorded material are important to you) will not work as well for subs.

Secondly, what you have on the product, except for the user review a few posts up, is all from people attempting to sell you the product. It costs more, therefore they can charge slightly more, and in the end make more money by telling you a more expensive product is superior. This is the same reason JL, Rockford, Alpine, Infinity, etc are claimed to be the best products out there in car audio, because dealers can make more off the purchase of a more expensive subwoofer or amplifier. We all know (hopefully we all know) that although these brands aren't bad, they are not the best, not in quality, price, performance, or sound, they are simply the best at hype.

I can believe that trupan wears less on blades or creates less dust (barely believe the later) but are either of these factors really that important to us, the common subwoofer bumper? Do I honestly care if I pay 20$ more a sheet that my blades will cut 12000 times versus 1150? Or if my vacuum has to be one for several more minutes? Not if the cost is a higher resonant frequency material and a larger hole in my wallet.

 
Well, for one thing, I'm selling nothing to anyone.

The only thing I'm doing is dispelling the misinformation as to Standard MDF vs UL MDF as to it's weight and the lack there of any savings in terms of shipping costs.

As for the issue of what is and isn't " resonance dead " given a materials weight density, your are correct in that nothing is really " resonant dead " regardless as to what anyone states otherwise.

That's the main problem in car audio is all the " myth's " vs " actual facts " because the same clap trap keeps being repeated because when actual fact is presented, the larger majority will dismiss it because " myth " has survived longer.

Last, my statement about what materials I'd rather use given a choice has more bearing to actual fact that UL MDF vs standard mdf as to being less abrasive on carbide because UL MDF is not comprised of the same resins, waxes and material of standard MDF much in the same fact that Plywood vs Particleboard vs Hardwoods vs Softwoods with degrade the cutting edge of a blade.

OR

A carbide tipped blade vs a HHS Blade with wear as the same rate given the material that is being cut.... I don't think so.

 
I can believe that trupan wears less on blades or creates less dust (barely believe the later) but are either of these factors really that important to us, the common subwoofer bumper? Do I honestly care if I pay 20$ more a sheet that my blades will cut 12000 times versus 1150? Or if my vacuum has to be one for several more minutes? Not if the cost is a higher resonant frequency material and a larger hole in my wallet.
Creates WAY less dust, cut down a sheet and find out for yourself. I don't have a vacuum system in the garage, so MDF dust gets everywhere. With a fan blowing out the garage door and cutting Trupan I literally get about 1/8" of dust a few feet around the saw. That alone is worth it to me.

Over all it's just MUCH nicer to work with, but if ya can't swing the extra $20 then don't buy it, simple as that. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

Resonant frequency issue is a moot point as BJ has built a ton of boxes using it and I've yet to see a complaint. Same with the few I've done using Trupan.

Any box requiring 1 1/2 - 2 full sheets will be significantly lighter obviously not as much of a diff for smaller boxes.

Buy a sheet and give it a try and let us know what you think....

 
I dont know if it has been stated in this thread or not but just incase it didnt..

Lighter can not always be a good thing...

Lighter means a theif would have a easier time stealing/carrying it out of your vehicle.

 
That's the main problem in car audio is all the " myth's " vs " actual facts " because the same clap trap keeps being repeated because when actual fact is presented, the larger majority will dismiss it because " myth " has survived longer.
Not really arguing with you here, you are absolutely right about what you have said.

I just had a bad feeling that people might jump on a "Turpan" bandwagon after reading the first post. My point is that sceptism, in all aspects of life, including car audio, is a healthy and smart trait to have. Merely because someone says its so, does not make it. Also, I know I am not completely correct either, seeing as how I do not even have first hand experience with Turpan (mainly because it's cost has scared me off.) However, I may have to give it a try sooner rather then later.

 
Actually, here's more fuel to add to the " MYTH " file:

5/8" mdf is inferior to 3/4" MDF.

Biggest load of horsesh!t I have ever heard and this myth all stems from retailers that sell " pre-fab " enclosures.

There's not a dam thing wrong with using 5/8" MDF for sub boxes, the only that's wrong is the manufacturers lack of quality of build of these " pre-fab " boxes that give the myth any creditability.

I built plenty of enclosure's with 5/8" MDF with no complaints, he!!, I've built enclosure's using a combination of mdf thickness grades from 1/4 - 1 1/4", same results, no complaints or issue's.

Myth's are such wonderful loads of crap and misinformation they survive there own BS.

 
Actually, here's more fuel to add to the " MYTH " file:
5/8" mdf is inferior to 3/4" MDF.

 

Biggest load of horsesh!t I have ever heard and this myth all stems from retailers that sell " pre-fab " enclosures.

 

There's not a dam thing wrong with using 5/8" MDF for sub boxes, the only that's wrong is the manufacturers lack of quality of build of these " pre-fab " boxes that give the myth any creditability.

 

I built plenty of enclosure's with 5/8" MDF with no complaints, he!!, I've built enclosure's using a combination of mdf thickness grades from 1/4 - 1 1/4", same results, no complaints or issue's.

Myth's are such wonderful loads of crap and misinformation they survive there own BS.
Interesting, I was thinking about building my new box out of 5/8" to maximize space.

But i will be using (3) 50+lb subs so maybe I should stick with 3/4"...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

 
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