Marijuana Legalization

Should Marijuana be legalized

  • Yes

    Votes: 100 67.6%
  • No

    Votes: 37 25.0%
  • I have no opinion.

    Votes: 11 7.4%

  • Total voters
    148
They pass laws that keep intact the best interests of the public at large; to protect the public at large, as well as laws that maintain societal values and overall productiveness of the American workforce.
*chuckle* *snort* //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

I agree that marijuana use, like having a driver's license, is not a fundamental right as a citizen...dope is not in the same league as life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. However, nor do I see the government as the helpful protector it passes itself off to be in many cases, and there are innumerable laws on the books that have changed dramatically over the years. Just because something's the law doesn't mean it's above public (yes, direct public, not government) scrutiny.

But nobody's taken me up on my comparison to alcohol yet //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
*chuckle* *snort* //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
I agree that marijuana use, like having a driver's license, is not a fundamental right as a citizen...dope is not in the same league as life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. However, nor do I see the government as the helpful protector it passes itself off to be in many cases, and there are innumerable laws on the books that have changed dramatically over the years. Just because something's the law doesn't mean it's above public (yes, direct public, not government) scrutiny.
Scrutinize away //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/thumbsupwink.gif.129404938effda6ad9cca39e7f4b58a3.gif But don't ask "who are they to decide" when it's their job to decide what does and doesn't go in this country. You are the one who elects them into office to do such. I'm not saying every single law in existence is the best possible law to have in effect (though I do agree with keeping pot illegal for various reasons). But don't challenge the authority the citizens have given them (by way of voting them into office).

And I must have missed your comparison to alcohol //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif Though I did just list over 9 negative side effects of marijuana usage, when people claim it is "harmless"

 
weed and prostution...would be legal if they could tax it...i dont participiate in either of the activities but a figure was calcualted that the government would be roughly 200 million dollars richer...which means lower taxes in other things normal people participate in such as lower medicare tax and it could help with solving the social security problem...

 
weed and prostution...would be legal if they could tax it...i dont participiate in either of the activities but a figure was calcualted that the government would be roughly 200 million dollars richer...which means lower taxes in other things normal people participate in such as lower medicare tax and it could help with solving the social security problem...

i agree 100% that the government should just oversee weed and

*****s and make $$$ off it... even if it didnt lower taxes for other

things at least there would be extra money...

but im sure the government would squander it on higher paychecks

for their limo drivers or pens made from diamonds...

 
Here's a link about MJ NOT being a killer http://my.webmd.com/content/article/74/89068.htm?

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The short-term effects of marijuana can include problems with memory and learning; distorted perception; difficulty in thinking and problem solving; loss of coordination; and increased heart rate. Research findings for long-term marijuana use indicate some changes in the brain similar to those seen after long-term use of other major drugs of abuse. For example, cannabinoid (THC or synthetic forms of THC) withdrawal in chronically exposed animals leads to an increase in the activation of the stress-response system(6) and changes in the activity of nerve cells containing dopamine(7). Dopamine neurons are involved in the regulation of motivation and reward, and are directly or indirectly affected by all drugs of abuse.

MJ doesn't have many long term affects... http://my.webmd.com/content/article/70/80972.htm?lastselectedguid=

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A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers(9). Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses.

Well no shit, of course SMOKING anything isn't good for your lungs.

Quote:

Even infrequent use can cause burning and stinging of the mouth and throat, often accompanied by a heavy cough. Smoking marijuana increases the likelihood of developing cancer of the head or neck, and the more marijuana smoked the greater the increase(11). A study comparing 173 cancer patients and 176 healthy individuals produced strong evidence that marijuana smoking doubled or tripled the risk of these cancers.

Way to link to a poorly done gov't study http://my.webmd.com/content/article/23/1728_57309.htm?lastselectedguid=

Quote:

Marijuana use also has the potential to promote cancer of the lungs and other parts of the respiratory tract because it contains irritants and carcinogens(12, 13). In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke(14).

^refer to link above. Oh, and MJ doesn't cause brain damage (though you didn't use that "study" anyway, here's the link) http://my.webmd.com/content/article/70/80972.htm?lastselectedguid=

Quote:

Some of marijuana’s adverse health effects may occur because THC impairs the immune system’s ability to fight off infectious diseases and cancer. In laboratory experiments that exposed animal and human cells to THC or other marijuana ingredients, the normal disease-preventing reactions of many of the key types of immune cells were inhibited(16).

Never heard this one before... link ?

Quote:

Students who smoke marijuana get lower grades and are less likely to graduate from high school, compared with their non-smoking peers(24, 25, 26, 27). A study of 129 college students found that, for heavy users of marijuana (those who smoked the drug at least 27 of the preceding 30 days), critical skills related to attention, memory, and learning were significantly impaired even after they had not used the drug for at least 24 hours(28).

This study isn't saying MJ makes you have bad grades, but people that smoke may have bad grades... two differant things

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Depression(19), anxiety(20), and personality disturbances(21) have been associated with marijuana use. Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person’s existing problems worse. Because marijuana compromises the ability to learn and remember information, the more a person uses marijuana the more he or she is likely to fall behind in accumulating intellectual, job, or social skills.

Sure, if you have other problems, drugs aren't for you.

Quote:

Long-term marijuana use can lead to addiction for some people; that is, they use the drug compulsively even though it interferes with family, school, work, and recreational activities. Drug craving and withdrawal symptoms can make it hard for long-term marijuana smokers to stop using the drug. People trying to quit report irritability, sleeplessness, and anxiety(38). They also display increased aggression on psychological tests, peaking approximately one week after the last use of the drug(39).

Addictive personalities are a fact. Many people can be addicted to anything. But, it's all in their head - in this case //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

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A negative aspect of increased anandamide activity was recently shown by studies done by scientists at the University at Buffalo in New York. It has been known for thirty years that very heavy marijuana smoking has drastic effects on sperm production within the testis. The study showed that human sperm contains receptors for cannabinoids. For the first time, a study showed that cannabinoids can affect three key fertilization processes: 1) Prevention of sperm binding to the egg cover, or zona, 2) Regulation of very active sperm swimming patterns, called hyperactivation, and 3) Inhibition of the acrosomal reaction, the normal release of the sperm enzymes that enable sperm to penetrate the egg. These new findings suggest that the anandamides and THC in marijuana smoke may affect sperm functions required for fertilization in the female reproductive tract.

Yup, THC and sperm don't mix well.

 
Scrutinize away But don't ask "who are they to decide" when it's their job to decide what does and doesn't go in this country. You are the one who elects them into office to do such. I'm not saying every single law in existence is the best possible law to have in effect (though I do agree with keeping pot illegal for various reasons). But don't challenge the authority the citizens have given them (by way of voting them into office).
I'm sorry, I can't *not* challenge citizen-given authority at certain times...after all, there was a time when the majority of citizens thought slavery was necessary, people thought the world was flat, and the sun was the center of the universe. Even though these are extreme examples, I hope I illustrate the fact that given elected power or not, the mob is often quite frequently wrong.

I didn't post a comparison to alcohol (why repeat information that's already been circulating for a while)...but the info's out there. That link I gave earlier to the Shaffer Drug Library has a lot of good stuff on that topic.

I guess I'm strange...arguing for legalization, even though I'd never touch the stuff again.

 
Here's a link about MJ NOT being a killer http://my.webmd.com/content/article/74/89068.htm?
Quote:

The short-term effects of marijuana can include problems with memory and learning; distorted perception; difficulty in thinking and problem solving; loss of coordination; and increased heart rate. Research findings for long-term marijuana use indicate some changes in the brain similar to those seen after long-term use of other major drugs of abuse. For example, cannabinoid (THC or synthetic forms of THC) withdrawal in chronically exposed animals leads to an increase in the activation of the stress-response system(6) and changes in the activity of nerve cells containing dopamine(7). Dopamine neurons are involved in the regulation of motivation and reward, and are directly or indirectly affected by all drugs of abuse.

MJ doesn't have many long term affects... http://my.webmd.com/content/article/70/80972.htm?lastselectedguid=
Well, as you can see, what I quoted says otherwise.

Quote:A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers(9). Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses.

Well no shit, of course SMOKING anything isn't good for your lungs.
So then why say it is harmless?

Quote:Even infrequent use can cause burning and stinging of the mouth and throat, often accompanied by a heavy cough. Smoking marijuana increases the likelihood of developing cancer of the head or neck, and the more marijuana smoked the greater the increase(11). A study comparing 173 cancer patients and 176 healthy individuals produced strong evidence that marijuana smoking doubled or tripled the risk of these cancers.

Way to link to a poorly done gov't study http://my.webmd.com/content/article/23/1728_57309.htm?lastselectedguid=
You are an expert in scientific studies then, ey? What studies have you performed yourself? Published in any scientific journals?

Quote:Marijuana use also has the potential to promote cancer of the lungs and other parts of the respiratory tract because it contains irritants and carcinogens(12, 13). In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke(14).

^refer to link above. Oh, and MJ doesn't cause brain damage (though you didn't use that "study" anyway, here's the link) http://my.webmd.com/content/article/70/80972.htm?lastselectedguid=
Study I quoted says otherwise.

Quote:Some of marijuana’s adverse health effects may occur because THC impairs the immune system’s ability to fight off infectious diseases and cancer. In laboratory experiments that exposed animal and human cells to THC or other marijuana ingredients, the normal disease-preventing reactions of many of the key types of immune cells were inhibited(16).

Never heard this one before... link ?
Adams IB, Martin BR: Cannabis: pharmacology and toxicology in animals and humans. Addiction 91:1585-1614, 1996.

Quote:Students who smoke marijuana get lower grades and are less likely to graduate from high school, compared with their non-smoking peers(24, 25, 26, 27). A study of 129 college students found that, for heavy users of marijuana (those who smoked the drug at least 27 of the preceding 30 days), critical skills related to attention, memory, and learning were significantly impaired even after they had not used the drug for at least 24 hours(28).

This study isn't saying MJ makes you have bad grades, but people that smoke may have bad grades... two differant things
Bolded the important section.

Quote:Depression(19), anxiety(20), and personality disturbances(21) have been associated with marijuana use. Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person’s existing problems worse. Because marijuana compromises the ability to learn and remember information, the more a person uses marijuana the more he or she is likely to fall behind in accumulating intellectual, job, or social skills.

Sure, if you have other problems, drugs aren't for you.
Yet where do people in those situations turn? OH, to drugs.

Quote:Long-term marijuana use can lead to addiction for some people; that is, they use the drug compulsively even though it interferes with family, school, work, and recreational activities. Drug craving and withdrawal symptoms can make it hard for long-term marijuana smokers to stop using the drug. People trying to quit report irritability, sleeplessness, and anxiety(38). They also display increased aggression on psychological tests, peaking approximately one week after the last use of the drug(39).

Addictive personalities are a fact. Many people can be addicted to anything. But, it's all in their head - in this case //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
All in their head or not; an addiction is an addiction, and a common argument is that marijuana is not addictive.

Quote:A negative aspect of increased anandamide activity was recently shown by studies done by scientists at the University at Buffalo in New York. It has been known for thirty years that very heavy marijuana smoking has drastic effects on sperm production within the testis. The study showed that human sperm contains receptors for cannabinoids. For the first time, a study showed that cannabinoids can affect three key fertilization processes: 1) Prevention of sperm binding to the egg cover, or zona, 2) Regulation of very active sperm swimming patterns, called hyperactivation, and 3) Inhibition of the acrosomal reaction, the normal release of the sperm enzymes that enable sperm to penetrate the egg. These new findings suggest that the anandamides and THC in marijuana smoke may affect sperm functions required for fertilization in the female reproductive tract.

Yup, THC and sperm don't mix well.
 
So then why say it is harmless?

Not harmless - but not the devil that people make it out to be.

You are an expert in scientific studies then, ey? What studies have you performed yourself? Published in any scientific journals?

I'm merely doing what you've done, linking to studies.

Study I quoted says otherwise.

See, the problem is your citing studies that have ties to the gov't. Ever hear about the VERY flawed e study that the gov't paid for ? It was proven wrong over and over, yet they still used it as evidence.

Adams IB, Martin BR: Cannabis: pharmacology and toxicology in animals and humans. Addiction 91:1585-1614, 1996.

I'll have to look into this one later //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Bolded the important section.

For 24 hours... What about in a day or two ? Excessive use of most anything isn't good. That's short short term though, not really harmful.

Yet where do people in those situations turn? OH, to drugs.

So people with problems sometimes turn to drugs. Better ban alcohol/cigs/knives/guns/nooses/etc.

All in their head or not; an addiction is an addiction, and a common argument is that marijuana is not addictive.

It's not physically addictive. If you have a weak mind, then perhaps ANYTHING that can be habit forming isn't for you. Take for example, fast food.

Why are you so anti-drug ? I seriously don't understand why people must push their beliefs on others.

 
You are an expert in scientific studies then, ey? What studies have you performed yourself? Published in any scientific journals?
I'm merely doing what you've done, linking to studies.
My point was, you called a study "poor" when you hardly have the qualifications to make such a judgment.

Bolded the important section.
For 24 hours... What about in a day or two ? Excessive use of most anything isn't good. That's short short term though, not really harmful.
Yeah, doing poorly in school and the workplace because 3 days a week you have a loss of comprehension abilities, a diminished ability to learn and poor short term memory isn't such a bad thing //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Why are you so anti-drug ?
Why are you so pro-drug?

I seriously don't understand why people must push their beliefs on others.
Likewise //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

You guys are also the ones who keep pushing your belief of how wonderful pot is. Don't get mad because I choose to disagree, and respond to the "points" you try to make in favor of it. I didn't start this thread.

 
My point was, you called a study "poor" when you hardly have the qualifications to make such a judgment.

There's plenty of others, whom ARE qualified, that called it poor //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Yeah, doing poorly in school and the workplace because 3 days a week you have a loss of comprehension abilities, a diminished ability to learn and poor short term memory isn't such a bad thing //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

That's their own choice really...

Why are you so pro-drug?

I'm not pro-drug... I'm pro-freedom //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Likewise //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

You guys are also the ones who keep pushing your belief of how wonderful pot is. Don't get mad because I choose to disagree, and respond to the "points" you try to make in favor of it. I didn't start this thread.

Nono, you have it wrong. Are we arguing for laws saying you HAVE to smoke ? No. We are arguing for the freedom to do something that we enjoy, that hurts noone but ourselves (even if it's only a little bit). YOU, on the other hand, are arguing to keep us from being able to do something. See the differance ?

 
Who does speeding hurt? Nobody. Still can't legally do it.
Who does trespassing hurt? Nobody. Still can't legally do it.

Who does jaywalking hurt? Nobody. Still can't legally do it.

Who does not wearing a sealtbelt hurt? Nobody. Still can't legally do it in cars.

Who does ************ hurt?

Shall I continue?

If "who are you to decide" is the heart of the argument, then you need a better reason.....cause that's weak. Plain and simple.

speeding hurts the others driving on the road, if someone is flying around a curve and gets in the left lane they could possibly hit another driver

trespassing doesnt hurt anyone but its someones land who doesnt want you there for one reason or another

jaywalking...jaywalking is a joke

seatbelts law is state by state. if you hit someone head on and you werent wearing your seltbelt you could fly through your windsheild and land on someone, and who wants a dead body in their lap.

************ once again is a state law not a federal law. dont have a problem with ************ other than the fact that if legal, i would think STD rates would double what they are now.

yes, please continue.

 
speeding hurts the others driving on the road, if someone is flying around a curve and gets in the left lane they could possibly hit another driver
seatbelts law is state by state. if you hit someone head on and you werent wearing your seltbelt you could fly through your windsheild and land on someone, and who wants a dead body in their lap.
Yet you just made my point. The gov't passess certain laws as a preemptive move to avoid problems that could arise from certain actions/activities.

 
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