Mag v4 Production complete

[lilmaniac2 5,000+ posts]

well, they did go over to china to get the design

wrong, the driver was designed in the USA //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

wrong, the driver was designed in the USA //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

He probably meant the 'basket', not driver.

 

[lilmaniac2 5,000+ posts]

He probably meant the 'basket', not driver.

ah, well too bad mtx designed the 12 spoke that everyone loves on there "usa" drivers. and they are made in china arent they? what about the little asian man who owns the 18" version of that basket?

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Almost nobody sells a speaker these days that doesn't have at least some component come from China. The question is where the speakers are actually assembled.

 

[HellsRise 10+ year member]

I like the new looks of the Mag.

P.S. Who the **** cares where it's made, as long as it performs as expected?

 

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

I like the new looks of the Mag.
P.S. Who the **** cares where it's made, as long as it performs as expected?

where it was made may have an effect on how long the speaker performs as expected.

 

[Electrodynamic 10+ year member]

where it was made may have an effect on how long the speaker performs as expected.

Not only where it was made, but how it was made. Don't let the location alone be the determining factor of your pre-judement.

If a speaker was put together perfectly...but with bad glue, a bad cone, bad spider(s), etc, it wouldn't last very long. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

indeed.

 

[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

Do we get some t/s jake?

 

[Electrodynamic 10+ year member]

Jacob doesn't know the T/S's on the new Mag.

We'll release the T/S's after people have the Mag and we get a sample Klippel tested over at DIYMA.

 

[KCha 10+ year member]

If it sounds/performs anything like the older Mags I won't hesitate getting another one (or possibly 3), regardless of the looks. Though I actually like that design quite a bit.

I don't have any experience with the BM, but if the deal goes through on a truck I'm looking at I might have to give a few of those suckers a try =D

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

The only concerns I have about products from China, simply due to their location (being from... well... China) are the raw materials. Chinese can make products good or bad, just like Americans. But the Chinese raw materials tend to be inferior to ours.

 

[Electrodynamic 10+ year member]

The only concerns I have about products from China, simply due to their location (being from... well... China) are the raw materials. Chinese can make products good or bad, just like Americans. But the Chinese raw materials tend to be inferior to ours.

I agree...to an extent. You said it in your third sentence though. American companies can produce some bad products also. However, labeling an entire country based off of a particular experience is being a little short-sided. That's like saying Honda has never made a reliable car because you knew of one that had problems.

If you call a random build house over in China and say you want a 3" core 12" driver that is loud, they're going to give you the cheapest thing they possibly can that meets that small criteria. Why the cheapest? You didn't tell them exactly what to use. What grade of steel, magnets, type of surround (layers, material, etc), cone, spider, terminals, vc former, vc winding height, length, etc, none of that was in your description / technical documentation. If you don't tell them what you want, how are they going to know what you want?

Like I said, I agree to an extent. We've received some very bad samples from other build houses in China. We've also received even worse samples from some build houses here in the United States. On the flip side the coin we have received great samples / production runs (the v3 Mag's) from US companies and very good samples from build houses over in China. We aren't just using one build house either, we're using three - each one of them does what they do VERY well.

Raw-material-wise, we are up to snuff. The grade of steel, magnets, and aluminum (basket), are on par. Same goes for the cone mixture, spider material, voice coil material, and all adhesives. We've been working on this long enough to have crossed all of our T's and dotted all of our I's.

 

[Pl8er 5,000+ posts]

The only concerns I have about products from China, simply due to their location (being from... well... China) are the raw materials. Chinese can make products good or bad, just like Americans. But the Chinese raw materials tend to be inferior to ours.

First off, let me say that I consider you in the top 3% of people in here on knowledge. That being said, I couldn't disagree more with what you said there.

Most raw materials (especially ones used in speaker design) are produced in China. All but 8 of my sources (we have about 20ish) for raw Al, Ti, Copper come from China now. You don't directly see this because of the way that it is sent in, rebranded and then distributed but I can assure you that I am buying directly from china. The product we build from this material makes at least 40% of the worlds electronics, solar technology and FPD (flat panel display).

One of the downfalls (well at least for SI, not so much for us) is any intellectual property that they have given this build house will be used to make a product almost identical but cheaper (we saw it with Konaki). The hardest thing about using China for the products that we make and the technology that anyone is doing is that they could care less about reverse engineering or just straight taking the design and making it themselves.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Perhaps they have improved in the past 10 years, but I know back then I dealt with some international engineering firms that had but bad things to say about raw steel/alum/etc coming from China. And products I saw built from reliable companies, with Chinese material, that was so substandard that the entire project was scrapped, more than once. It was my understanding that their basic refining techniques were inadequate for today's 1st world industrial quality needs many times.

This is not to say all material and/or products coming from China will have poor materials (or any poor aspects at all), but that was considered the norm back then, at least in my small niche of the industrial world. I use subs with baskets made in China, wouldn't even think twice about it if not for threads like this once in a while. Its a proven product, it does its job, its cheap, not much else a consumer could ask for.

All this little bit of turmoil is, is a bunch of people really wanting the Mag to live up to the expectations, and being concerned about seeing so few known parts/design features on it to fall back on as 'comfort food'. These threads will all die down when the product really hits the market and people can decide for themselves, as ignorant or as educated as that opinion may be.