M3 or Z1a

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

Well we got one to do almost 6500 on a 15.7 volt charge on some caps wired down to .17 ohms with rise up to .5. Would you call that Barely rated power? Not to mention on the same wiring running off of 2 kinetik hc2400's we got it to do 4400 watts. Those amps shine at about .5 ohms.

the z2 has 24 300 watt mosfets.. do the math..

the sd 3500 has 16.. humm

btw thats the z2

the m3 has less than the Saz 2000d, lol

funny people here ask and get the truth then bash blindly...

 

[AQHDC3 10+ year member]

Well we got one to do almost 6500 on a 15.7 volt charge on some caps wired down to .17 ohms with rise up to .5. Would you call that Barely rated power? Not to mention on the same wiring running off of 2 kinetik hc2400's we got it to do 4400 watts. Those amps shine at about .5 ohms.

^ Ive seen it!

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

^ Ive seen it!

have you ever seen a 1Mw generator load tested?

 

[heyitsmekyle15 10+ year member]

the z2 has 24 300 watt mosfets.. do the math..the sd 3500 has 16.. humm

clamps dont lie buddy. and im talking about how much power we got out of an M3

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

clamps dont lie buddy. and im talking about how much power we got out of an M3

your an idoit..

you simply can exceed tge combinded output of you transitors... thats like saying your gett 2400 RMS out a 1200 rms amp..

the DD m3 can peak around 4.5kw @1ohm rms simply won't exceed about half that figure

you clamp neter isn't nearly as accurate as a power analized on a bench..

swear all you want the link i provided shows tge M3s true output..

ive load tested generators over 500kw..

your getting a peak figure... id suggest taking an electronics class before tring to call some one stupid..

the transistors at that low a voltage and load rely heavilt on capacitance wjich is why the design uses so much.. the true mean output is generally .45%... its made to discharge alot of power quickly, but contious is much lower..

hence the SDs do so great @ low voltage with higher loads vs the M3 @ .5 for short bursts..

 

[heyitsmekyle15 10+ year member]

your an idoit..you simply can exceed tge combinded output of you transitors... thats like saying your gett 2400 RMS out a 1200 rms amp..

the DD m3 can peak around 4.5kw @1ohm rms simply won't exceed about half that figure

you clamp neter isn't nearly as accurate as a power analized on a bench..

swear all you want the link i provided shows tge M3s true output..

ive load tested generators over 500kw..

your getting a peak figure... id suggest taking an electronics class before tring to call some one stupid..

the transistors at that low a voltage and load rely heavilt on capacitance wjich is why the design uses so much.. the true mean output is generally .45%... its made to discharge alot of power quickly, but contious is much lower..

hence the SDs do so great @ low voltage with higher loads vs the M3 @ .5 for short bursts..

Never called you stupid, and um, who said i was talking a rms figure? All i need is power for 3 seconds for a burp. I doubt my meters were inaccurate. Please dont try and lecture me.

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

Never called you stupid, and um, who said i was talking a rms figure? All i need is power for 3 seconds for a burp. I doubt my meters were inaccurate. Please dont try and lecture me.

i said they do ruffly 2400 @14.5.. FACT

there designed to be burped...

for music ID used the amps i listed fist..

id buy the MMATS if i had the money..

the 4000 is a true beast..

the DAT is very solid

and the SD 4500 is 4500 @14 with EASE..

the mmats will run you 1.6k the dat will as well

the SD are around 1400 IIRC...

 

[heyitsmekyle15 10+ year member]

i said they do ruffly 2400 @14.5.. FACTthere designed to be burped...

for music ID used the amps i listed fist..

id buy the MMATS if i had the money..

the 4000 is a true beast..

the DAT is very solid

and the SD 4500 is 4500 @14 with EASE..

the mmats will run you 1.6k the dat will as well

the SD are around 1400 IIRC...

I agree they arent the best choice amps for daily. If i had to daily the amps you got listed it would be either the SD or the DAT. OR you could pick up some used IA 40.1's for a good price //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

I agree they arent the best choice amps for daily. If i had to daily the amps you got listed it would be either the SD or the DAT. OR you could pick up some used IA 40.1's for a good price //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

i need a solid 3k, but these HO class Ds just aren't clean enough..

ive yet to hear a cleaner mono block than the zapco ref 1100..

if they made a 3000 id be all over it..

the dat and mmats are my cyrrent picks as of now.. again i love output but in the last few years im hooked on accurate reproduction..

its a very narrow market and im designing equipment to do just that.. accurate efficent and as loud as your heart desires...

unfortunately im a industrial/marine electrician and it takes alot of time and money..

im short on both...

 

[2003F150 10+ year member]

Ok you are right we are measuring peak watts or burp watts, however, I have personally put in matts 3500.1's in place of my m3's for a listening test and they have to be clipped to hell and back to even make it feel or sound like the m3's...the other amps listed i am not sure. All I know is my m3's wired @ 1 ohm each push my 9515's nicely and it sounds great. Ask anyone who has heard it.

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

Ok you are right we are measuring peak watts or burp watts, however, I have personally put in matts 3500.1's in place of my m3's for a listening test and they have to be clipped to hell and back to even make it feel or sound like the m3's...the other amps listed i am not sure. All I know is my m3's wired @ 1 ohm each push my 9515's nicely and it sounds great. Ask anyone who has heard it.

the mmats iare picky about there input, thats there biggest problem..

i cant say that the m3 isn't nice,but mmats makes great amps..

im not sure of your circumstances, but last time i used mmats i couldn't believe the output and it had superior damping and sounded very transparant..

i wouldn't be suprised if you liked how it sounded clipping/ed better..

i can get 4500 of my 1750s, but i love how great they sound strapped @4 ohm.. a very very clean 1800.. i can't tell the difference between them and most class AB amps..

maybe you should try mmats new 3kw.. if yoyr concerned with output the mmats simply isn't the strongest but there very clean and put out a hair more than rated...

 

[2003F150 10+ year member]

I will say 6500 out of a m3 is a little far feched even to me but I got 4300 after burping 8sec and the voltage and amperage had settled down. I have heard the new mmats 3000 and I was not impressed for the price period. They just dont do it for me.

 

[heyitsmekyle15 10+ year member]

I will say 6500 out of a m3 is a little far feched even to me but I got 4300 after burping 8sec and the voltage and amperage had settled down. I have heard the new mmats 3000 and I was not impressed for the price period. They just dont do it for me.

keep in mind, when we got the 6450 out of the m3 this was on capacitors. (no not the ones you are thinking of) The charge we had on the capacitors before the burp was 15.7 and after the burp it settled at 14.7. Yes getting 6500 out of an m3 on a 12 volt battery wont happen but yes we got about 4400 watts out of the m3 on two kinetik hc2400s.

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

im not sure exactly what transistors they use, but im still doubting 6kw.. its a 2400 watt board.. i could see a 4..5kw for a few seconds.. your going to fry that amp.. caps simply store energy/and or act as a filter... it simply pulls more current to stablize voltage in short output stages. your reading a huge spike... if you look at the link i posted the output supply is clearly limited to around 2700 watts.. for a couple of seconds with 14.4 clipped to shit there capible of doing 4.5k but your not going to get that for more than a second of so.. your meter isn't capible of reading **** peaks and dips.. there way to transiant... you can argure all day but fact of the matter is the amp is simply what DD states its a 2400 watts RMS amp @1ohm 14.4 volts.. like i said i can get over 2500 out of my RD 1750 with 14 volts its rated for 1750@14,4.. of course these amps are built for lower voltages.. IE one design is a contunious steady output were one is a very dynamic output... the OP asked what is better i told him the dat SD or mmats is designed exactly for his application.. again you said you used the mmats and its not as strong.. its probably because you need to make adjustments your impedance load isn't idea etc,, the mmats 3000 is superior to the m3 in output... the older 3500 where abit overrated but the new 300 does right @ 3200 @14.4

 

[2003F150 10+ year member]

im not sure exactly what transistors they use, but im still doubting 6kw.. its a 2400 watt board.. i could see a 4..5kw for a few seconds.. your going to fry that amp.. caps simply store energy/and or act as a filter... it simply pulls more current to stablize voltage in short output stages. your reading a huge spike... if you look at the link i posted the output supply is clearly limited to around 2700 watts.. for a couple of seconds with 14.4 clipped to shit there capible of doing 4.5k but your not going to get that for more than a second of so.. your meter isn't capible of reading **** peaks and dips.. there way to transiant... you can argure all day but fact of the matter is the amp is simply what DD states its a 2400 watts RMS amp @1ohm 14.4 volts.. like i said i can get over 2500 out of my RD 1750 with 14 volts its rated for 1750@14,4.. of course these amps are built for lower voltages.. IE one design is a contunious steady output were one is a very dynamic output... the OP asked what is better i told him the dat SD or mmats is designed exactly for his application.. again you said you used the mmats and its not as strong.. its probably because you need to make adjustments your impedance load isn't idea etc,, the mmats 3000 is superior to the m3 in output... the older 3500 where abit overrated but the new 300 does right @ 3200 @14.4

The mmats was @ 1 ohm as it was a 1 ohm amp and the m3 is a 1 ohm amp....we tried the mmats 3500.1 @ .5 in another vehicle and it would protect