lost another one to drugs.

see my second post. its illegal. he knows it is illegal. so what if you want to call it "just a plant"...
these people know the rules, they break the rules, they get punished.

would it be fair for me to drive 120 mph through my neighborhood, and then complain about the punishment when i get caught? what if i said that the speed limit was nothing more than words on a sign? it was against the rules, i knew it, i got caught, i get punished.

its the way the system works. drugs are no different. just because its a plant does not make it exempt.
just because its illegal doesnt really mean anything.

are you familiar with the term "jury nullification"?

it basically allows a jury to say someone is not guilty because they find the law unjust. now why would this even be around? well because some laws are complete bullshit and we as a people have the right to decide what laws we think are good for our society and which ones are bullshit

 
im not exactly sure how many warrants he had, im pretty sure he has 2, both with the intent to sale, each one carries 5-99 year sentence in rockwall county IIRC...his bale is set at 100,000, but all his charges are drug related, and they are just for weed and shrooms..

 
see my second post. its illegal. he knows it is illegal. so what if you want to call it "just a plant"...
these people know the rules, they break the rules, they get punished.

would it be fair for me to drive 120 mph through my neighborhood, and then complain about the punishment when i get caught? what if i said that the speed limit was nothing more than words on a sign? it was against the rules, i knew it, i got caught, i get punished.

its the way the system works. drugs are no different. just because its a plant does not make it exempt.
//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif oh my god, someone that actually understands!

i know its hard for you drug obsessed hippies, but put the bong down for a second and think about it

1) marijuana among other drugs is illegal

2) when you break the law you goto jail

now surely your drug infested minds can comprehend those 2 simple facts, i dont give a shit if its just a plant, ITS STILL ILLEGAL,

if you dont want to goto jail THEN DONT BREAK THE LAW

its not astrophysics for christ sakes

 
just because its illegal doesnt really mean anything.
are you familiar with the term "jury nullification"?

it basically allows a jury to say someone is not guilty because they find the law unjust. now why would this even be around? well because some laws are complete bullshit and we as a people have the right to decide what laws we think are good for our society and which ones are bullshit
well, unfortunatly for the potheads, there are not enough people (yet) who think that the marijuana laws are bullshit...

im not arguing whether or not pot or that crap should be illegal. ive grown up past the age of doing that junk.

all im stating is that it IS in fact illegal, so it should be no shock when someone gets caught and goes to jail. thats just the way it works. if you dont like the outcome, dont perform the actions. and if you think its important enough for you to do it anyways, then dont ***** when you get caught. its that simple.

whether or not it should be legal is not a conversation i care about. not because i dont want to debate it, because i could care less. the only thing i would care about if it were legal, would be that it not be legal in public. i hate the smell of it, gives me the worst headaches. but for those what want to do it, like ive already said, i dont care //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif . ill just laugh if/when they get caught //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
i hope all you dumb potheads keep on smokin, so eventually you can make some lame *** thread about how now you have to serve time because the "police state" broke your civil rights and now you have to get forced butt secks for smoking a plant

idiots

 
for anyone thats interested in Jury Nullification. this is a good one. not going to highlight all the important parts of the article...but for anyone that actually agrees this law is bullshit, let it be known that you have the right to call out this bullshit war on drugs

Justice Often Served By Jury Nullification
Monday , August 01, 2005

By Radley Balko

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In February of 2003, a California jury convicted marijuana activist Ed Rosenthal of growing marijuana, in violation of federal law.

What the jury didn't know — and wasn't allowed to hear — was that Rosenthal was not only growing the marijuana for medical patients, he was growing the stuff for the city of Oakland. After the trial, the jury was outraged. "'I'm sorry' doesn't begin to cover it," one told the New York Times. Said the foreman, "It's the most horrible mistake I've ever made in my entire life."

As you read this, a 46-year old paraplegic named Richard Paey is serving a 25-year prison sentence in Florida. Paey suffered a bad car accident followed by a botched back surgery, and both left him in incredible pain. Paey, a father, discovered that he could relieve his pain by taking large doses of tightly regulated opiate painkillers, but the quantity of the drugs he needed exceeded that which his doctors could legally prescribed. Paey felt he had no choice but to break the law to get the medication he needed to live a normal life, and he was convicted of obtaining the drugs by using a photocopy of the last prescription his doctor wrote for him.

Prosecutors admitted Paey never sold his medication. But they charged him with distribution anyway, under Drug War laws stating that anyone possessing a given amount of a controlled substance is automatically guilty of distribution. Here again, jurors expressed disappointment in how the law gave them no choice but to return an unjust verdict.

But is that necessarily true? Must jurors uphold even unjust laws? Maybe not.

In his 1998 book "Jury Nullification: The Evolution of a Doctrine," Clay S. Conrad defines "jury nullification" this way: "Jurors in criminal trials have the right to refuse to convict if they believe that a conviction would be in some way unjust."

The doctrine of jury nullification (search) rests on two truths about the American criminal justice system: (1) Jurors can never be punished for the verdict they return, and (2) Defendants cannot be retried once a jury has found them not guilty, regardless of the jury's reasoning. So the juries in both the Rosenthal and Paey cases could have returned a "not guilty" verdict, even though Paey and Rosenthal were undoubtedly guilty of the charges against them.

This may sound radical, perhaps even subversive, but jury nullification serves as an important safeguard against unjust laws, as well as against the unfair application of well-intended laws. It's also steeped in American and British legal tradition.

The first case of jury nullification in British law came in the trial of William Mead (search) and William Penn (search), the latter of whom would go on to found the province of Pennsylvania. In 1670, the two men were charged in England with unlawful assembly, a law aimed at preventing religions not recognized by the Crown from worshipping. Both almost certainly broke the law, and the judge demanded a guilty verdict. But the jury refused, on the grounds that the law itself was unjust. After repeated refusals, the judge ordered the jury imprisoned. England's highest court eventually ordered the jurors released, establishing into common law the independence and integrity of juries in criminal cases.

Here in America, the Founding Fathers understood the importance of allowing juries to determine not just the guilt or innocence of the man on trial, but the justice and fairness of the law he's charged with breaking. John Adams said of jury nullification, "It is not only [the juror's] right, but his duty...to find the verdict according to his own best understanding, judgment, and conscience, though in direct opposition to the direction of the court." John Jay, the first chief justice of the Supreme Court, said "The jury has the right to judge both the law as well as the fact in controversy."

In recent times, the doctrine has become almost obsolete. Judges routinely instruct jurors that they are not to determine the justness of the law in question, only whether the defendant is guilty of breaking it. This is simply not true. In the Rosenthal case, the judge actually cut off the defense lawyer when he hinted in his closing remarks that the jury had the power to acquit Rosenthal regardless of the evidence against him.

So why do judges continue to get jury nullification wrong? Many point to an 1895 case in which the Supreme Court ruled that judges aren't obligated to tell jurors of their power to nullify bad law. Some have wrongly interpreted that decision to invalidate the doctrine of jury nullification altogether. They're mistaken.

In fact, the Supreme Court has since repeatedly upheld the doctrine of nullification. In 1952, for example, the Court found that "juries are not bound by what seems inescapable logic to judges." And in 1972, that "The pages of history shine on instances of the jury's exercise of its prerogative to disregard instructions of the judge."

Indeed, Americans can be proud of our history of boldly and valiantly standing up to unjust laws (if not so proud of the laws themselves). There are multiple cases of jurors refusing to convict violators of the Alien and Sedition Act (search), the Fugitive Slave Act (search), and alcohol prohibition laws, among others.

Now that the Supreme Court ruled that federal prosecutors can continue to arrest medical marijuana patients, and given the Drug Enforcement Administration's continued prosecution of pain patients and the doctors who treat them, we're likely to see more outrages like those perpetrated against Ed Rosenthal and Richard Paey.

A common question I get from people disturbed by these kinds of cases is, "What can we do?" Well, here's one thing the average citizen can do: Serve when you're called to jury duty, and while there, refuse to enforce unjust laws. If a defendant is guilty of harming someone else, certainly, throw the book at him. But if he's guilty of violating a bad law, or if you feel the law has been unjustly applied to him, by all means, come back with "not guilty," no matter what the judge, the prosecutor, or the evidence says.

Not only is this your right as a juror, some would say it's your obligation.

Radley Balko maintains a Weblog at: http://www.TheAgitator.com.
 
i do agree that smoking pot isnt any more dangerous than getting drunk though, but drinking isnt illegal

IMO smoking is the worst of all of them cause it harms others not only yourself. I sit in a bar and legally drink, not harming anyone while a smoker 15 feet away is harming me by polluting the air I am breathing. **** smokers I hope you all die painful deaths!!!

 
so he deserves to go to jail for 10 years for selling flowers off of female plants?
no, he deserves to go to jail for breaking the law

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please note which part of this post is the important part. i have repeated it for emphasis.

 
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