Kinetic HC2400 < SHURiKEN SK-BT100

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Memphis has only one online dealer and thats woofersetc, and guess what, their prices are the same as dealer prices. I'm sure that's in their contract.
The stuff on ebay is either stuff from woofersetc or mainly personal items. There are some other items on there, but once again they are all the same price that a dealer would charge. Thus, no comparison to kinetik. Memphis is VERY dedicated to protecting it's dealers.

What exactly did pat tell you, because obviously it differs from what I've been told. Not that it really matters to me at this point.

There are more and I know of 2 dealers who regularly sell above what woofers ect sell for..in fact one of the dealers is where I bought my memphis amps and speakers from..and is the same place I bought my ID from and my Sony and my soundstream.........in 3 cars I had done by them I have more than likely done well over 25K in bussiness with just in car audio. Deals I had were from the shop I didn't get ubber deals unless I replaced a broken horn body or needed a new p/s for my processors.

If it doesn't matter then why carry on? Where you a long time team member? Last time I seen you have a team kinetik siggy was 2006 or 2007?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif You got that after i left from Kinetik.

 

[thegreatestpenn 5,000+ posts]

A business that is what it is because of competitors and free advertising numerous forums have provided.
When you stab the people in the back who made you what you are today, people tend to get upset. It seems as though when people get to the top of the mountain they forget about the people that helped them during the climb.

If we are such a small segment of their business, then why is it such a big deal to cut us a break? Afterall, a few batteries at only a 200% markup isn't going to break the bank. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

I'm all about companies taking care of the people that promote them, but not all business owners are like that. Alot of them are all about the money. Its the American way after all.... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

But, the difference is that I don't get on the forums and push Batcap down people's throats. I have a lot of respect for you, but I see you defend Kinetik in every single thread that Kinetik gets bashed. If I see Batcap or Sundown get bashed, I may make a short comment and I continue to go about my day. Whenever Kinetik gets bashed you write a novel about how flawless the company is.

I explained myself..I have SEVERAL TIMES

 

[BigJoker 10+ year member]

But, the difference is that I don't get on the forums and push Batcap down people's throats. I have a lot of respect for you, but I see you defend Kinetik in every single thread that Kinetik gets bashed. If I see Batcap or Sundown get bashed, I may make a short comment and I continue to go about my day. Whenever Kinetik gets bashed you write a novel about how flawless the company is.

agreed.

i understand you are good friends with the owner but you sound like you will die for the company thats not yours. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

There are more and I know of 2 dealers who regularly sell above what woofers ect sell for..in fact one of the dealers is where I bought my memphis amps and speakers from..and is the same place I bought my ID from and my Sony and my soundstream.........in 3 cars I had done by them I have more than likely done well over 25K in bussiness with just in car audio. Deals I had were from the shop I didn't get ubber deals unless I replaced a broken horn body or needed a new p/s for my processors.If it doesn't matter then why carry on? Where you a long time team member? Last time I seen you have a team kinetik siggy was 2006 or 2007?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif You got that after i left from Kinetik.

I had the sig back then because at that point in time it was worthwhile to be on the team. But it appears that has all gone downhill, except for when pat or whoever talks to you.

As for the dealers selling for above what woofersetc. sells for, that's their own business. I'm sure if a customer was seriously interested they could/would match woofersetc's prices since they are right in line with MSRP. What a dealer charges above MSRP is their own doing and at the sole discretion of the owner.

However, if a customer comes in and says "i can get so and so for this much", and that's below the shops COST, then what are they supposed to do? I've heard this gripe from many shop owners about many brands. People are always quick to blame the shop for overcharging while overlooking the fact that the companies are ready and willing to sell to wholesale house for under dealer cost, effectively screwing their dealers. Sounds logical.

 

[Lakota 5,000+ posts]

I explained myself..I have SEVERAL TIMES

Exactly, you explain your position on Kinetik so often that you're pushing the company down people's throats. If you do a quick search of the posts you make, or hell even the threads you make, you will see mostly nothing but Kinetik.

For instance:

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/search.php?searchid=5142419 (threads you've started)

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/search.php?searchid=5142433 (posts you made)

Do I have a point here or not?

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

A business that is what it is because of competitors and free advertising numerous forums have provided.
When you stab the people in the back who made you what you are today, people tend to get upset. It seems as though when people get to the top of the mountain they forget about the people that helped them during the climb.

If we are such a small segment of their business, then why is it such a big deal to cut us a break? Afterall, a few batteries at only a 200% markup isn't going to break the bank. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Kinetik was built off forums and competitors???umm it helped I am sure but i seriously doubt it was what made it. There are bigger things that determin that BY FAR than that. Did competitions make kenwood? pioneer? alpine? regular sony? Are competitions what made audison? DLS? how about Diamond? the shop I worked at in 97-98 sold diamond and sold it well without any competitions or stunning victories in the SQ lanes (when we sold it competition never came up! unless they wanted to see my firebird and that did not have diamond!). Pyle was HUGE in my area because it was made close to me and they didn't win any IASCA finals. What about companies like Pro-tech speakers (pj's autosound Erie, pa)? Every car they entered at IASCA finals won and several retired undefeated...where is that company now? What about OZ? There were winning contests left and right and they were a TOUGH sell as a rep I learned that first hand! When companies like RF were selling big they weren't winning contests....at least not like they were in the late 80's.....

Now before you go twisting what I said up there into meaning that Kinetik doesn't support competitions or competitors then tell me why so many people use it? Why does Kinetik actually support finals of all the major orgs? They actually bought booths at DB drag finals, kinetik actually helped support USACI finals and won Manufacturer of the year in USACI 2008 finals. Who sponsored the after party at db drag finals the last couple of years? Did you know Kinetik won over awards from a distributor that also sells another battery line that is a forum boner?

Do you know the first car audio contest that Pat from kinetik went to was with me when I competed at SBN? He had to hitch a ride with a friend because he had to work at the time that we left and I was in Ohio helping getting the car together..doesn't sound like a big deal does it? I mean we both lived in NE Indiana and he stayed the night in some hotel in downtown Daytona that had roaches in it because he got in too late to locate us in our hotel:laugh:. Neither one of us had worked for a manufacturer yet at that time and he had a BLAST. That is more than likely where he caught the bug to do things for shows. If I went to a big show like sbn he went same with the now defunct Midwest Nationals..That used to be up by Clear Lake Illinios and was the first time I was able to hear Mark Eldridges Toyota.

Who stabed who in the back? Did Kinetik sponsor you at one time? Was the price good? If it was high priced did anyone twist your arm to get it? Did you have other options and did you use them? In the race to 0 you seem to think should be going on eventually you would think you would find a company that will give you equipment and maybe even pay you on top of it? If it doesn't matter then why carry on? IMO you either didn't talk to them and just said "I want batteries" or you didn't talk to who you needed to talk too. If your "team" has a hundreds of people in it and they all live by dealers (if they are already not a dealer) how do you baby sit them to make sure they aren't doing what you suggested should happen? Do you think actual dealers when they find out what goes on don't complain? Or do you now just deal with companies who don't care about those businesses or don't have a dealer network? Since you don't comprehend what a distributor does do you now hate Kicker, Maxsonics, RE, US Amps Pioneer, MA Audio and Fusion because they are in the WSH? Do you know most car audio battery companies are in some kind of distributor?

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

agreed.
i understand you are good friends with the owner but you sound like you will die for the company thats not yours. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

He is a good friend has been for a long time...sounds also like people would die to bash something that isn't theirs either:laugh:

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Exactly, you explain your position on Kinetik so often that you're pushing the company down people's throats. If you do a quick search of the posts you make, or hell even the threads you make, you will see mostly nothing but Kinetik.
For instance:

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/search.php?searchid=5142419 (threads you've started)

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/search.php?searchid=5142433 (posts you made)

Do I have a point here or not?

Do i get any points for Image dynamics?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif What about memphis? How about when some retard tries to say i have a shitty $2500 sony deck?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[BigJoker 10+ year member]

Exactly, you explain your position on Kinetik so often that you're pushing the company down people's throats. If you do a quick search of the posts you make, or hell even the threads you make, you will see mostly nothing but Kinetik.
For instance:

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/search.php?searchid=5142419 (threads you've started)

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/search.php?searchid=5142433 (posts you made)

Do I have a point here or not?

agreed

He is a good friend has been for a long time...sounds also like people would die to bash something that isn't theirs either:laugh:

agreed.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

agreed


agreed.

Agreed:laugh:

 

[2000LaDe 10+ year member]

UB121100 NUFF SAID WAY cheaper than both u are comparing

http://www.powerhousebattery.com/cgi/display.cgi?item_num=UB121100

 

[bose301s 5,000+ posts]

Do i get any points for Image dynamics?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif What about memphis? How about when some retard tries to say i have a shitty $2500 sony deck?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Stop using a shitty Sony deck and get a real one //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Stop using a shitty Sony deck and get a real one //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

sometimes it gets to to either you need to laff or have a thick skin

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Stop using a shitty Sony deck and get a real one //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

sometimes it gets to to either you need to laff or have a thick skin