Kenwood 13" supersub......Interesting

[Shinobi 10+ year member]

Sad part is the Pioneer Tws2000spl sub got higher rating's then it at lower cost , Honestly i've hated every kenwood sub that has came out IMO .

 

[monte_carlo97 10+ year member]

Wow, just because a sub has a deep mounting depth that automaticly makes it a spinoff of another sub?

no, how many other subs come in a 13" besides the W7. I am just posting a personal oppinion you don't have to agree with it. Plus everyone wants to be like JL cause everyone thinks JL is awesome

 

[RattlinStratus 10+ year member]

What is the purpose of the "tornado" cone, the sub looks good. It is too expensive just like JL audio. The surround is too small, only 13mm excursion? There are subs with twice that. Kenwood has descent amps, my friend has one and it works pretty good. Oh well atleast they are trying to compete.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

The surround is too small, only 13mm excursion? There are subs with twice that.

1) Size of the surround has no bearing on how good a sub is

2) Amount of excursion has no bearing on how good a sub is

 

[LBX2G 10+ year member]

but for it to come to mass market, where they need it bad, kenwood is falling out of the spot light fast, it is still very late, might be a good sub but its going to take a while for a big name that has not made a major dent in car audio in a while (subs that is) to have this sub make it to the top of the game

kenwood in ther subs and amp market is not very high. Shit hell they only have like 2 different model. Oh and there amp have fallen a lil bit (espically the excleon series). But there head unit market is great. Espacially there indash tv they are booming. If my memory serves me right they where the first to do an indash tv with touch screen.

oh yeah that some is old.

 

[RangerMan Premium Member]

13 inch sub??? You mean like eD?

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

1) Size of the surround has no bearing on how good a sub is2) Amount of excursion has no bearing on how good a sub is

1) I agree to an extent. But, a small surround is a dead give away for a low travel suspension. A large surround can mean squat though.

2) Excursion, while not the end-all be-all that some people make it out to be, certainly affects subwoofer performance, thus has a bearing on the sub's quality. In sealed enclosures it is a significant factor on potential output for example, and in ported enclsoures it affects extension below tuning. Higher excursion also lends itself to more authority in the lowest octaves.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

1) I agree to an extent. But, a small surround is a dead give away for a low travel suspension. A large surround can mean squat though.
2) Excursion, while not the end-all be-all that some people make it out to be, certainly affects subwoofer performance, thus has a bearing on the sub's quality. In sealed enclosures it is a significant factor on potential output for example, and in ported enclsoures it affects extension below tuning. Higher excursion also lends itself to more authority in the lowest octaves.

Not every sub is designed to hit 150db. Phaze Audio Aliante, Illusion Audio ND's and Velodyne's are arguably some of the best "sound quality" subs ever made, and none of them have an xmax over 15mm or a "wide" surround. Sometimes it's quality, not quantity. Plus there are subs like the IDQ, Tempest, Shiva, etc etc; all of which have small surrounds and small xmax's, and can hold their own in the low end while still sounding good.

Ofcourse, then you have the CV Stroker, with it's "small" surround and "low" xmax; which also happens to be one of the best SPL subs ever made.

 

[RattlinStratus 10+ year member]

I dont mean every sub with a small surround is bad. If you look at Eclipse they have huge excursions, and are very nice subs, but name a sub with a very small surround that compete with that? If a sub has 1000watts but a 1 inch surround, it will not reach its full potential. If that is their high end sub with only 13mm excursion, and my old Flame excursion audiobahns had 13mm that cost only 125 each new, and the kenwood costs way more? There are many things that contribute to a subs output potential, but having such a small surround already limits the output in most cases, especially sealed boxes.

 

[3.5Max6spd 10+ year member]

Some of the best SQ subs had dyck for excursion, a high xmax is in no way indicative of sound and efficiency

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Not every sub is designed to hit 150db. Phaze Audio Aliante, Illusion Audio ND's and Velodyne's are arguably some of the best "sound quality" subs ever made, and none of them have an xmax over 15mm or a "wide" surround. Sometimes it's quality, not quantity. Plus there are subs like the IDQ, Tempest, Shiva, etc etc; all of which have small surrounds and small xmax's, and can hold their own in the low end while still sounding good.
Ofcourse, then you have the CV Stroker, with it's "small" surround and "low" xmax; which also happens to be one of the best SPL subs ever made.

None of which disputes the benefits I listed for long excursion. I love how people argue excursion means nothing in ported applications, and cite examples like the Stroker. The problem is, we dont listen to our subs only at tuning. Excursion increases the further to move above (or below of course) tuning of the box. Does excursion play a major role in driver performance in a ported box? Not really. But it does play a role. And of course you completely ignored sealed enclosures, where cone excursion has a direct correlation on output potential.

RE XXX, JL W7, Adire Brahma, ID Max. I can name incredible SQ subs that have lots of cone excursion. You are arguing accuracy of drivers, a point I never made. The Velodyne Servodrive, for example, having incredible accuracy and detail has nothing to do with the points I made.

I enver said long ecursion was necessary for a good driver. Your list of low excursion SQ drivers does not change any of the benefits of long excursion that I listed.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

None of which disputes the benefits I listed for long excursion. I love how people argue excursion means nothing in ported applications, and cite examples like the Stroker. The problem is, we dont listen to our subs only at tuning. Excursion increases the further to move above (or below of course) tuning of the box. Does excursion play a major role in driver performance in a ported box? Not really. But it does play a role. And of course you completely ignored sealed enclosures, where cone excursion has a direct correlation on output potential.
RE XXX, JL W7, Adire Brahma, ID Max. I can name incredible SQ subs that have lots of cone excursion. You are arguing accuracy of drivers, a point I never made. The Velodyne Servodrive, for example, having incredible accuracy and detail has nothing to do with the points I made.

I enver said long ecursion was necessary for a good driver. Your list of low excursion SQ drivers does not change any of the benefits of long excursion that I listed.

So a tempest, with *only* 16mm xmax can't get loud? It gets louder than most people will ever need. You were arguing in another thread about what type of box a sub is "best" suited for. Well, if you have a sub with "low" xmax, don't put it in a sealed box. Problem solved.

And many of those "high excursion" subs loose cone area because of the surround size. Well, if you have more cone area, you don't need as much excursion.

I never said there wasn't a usefulness behind high excursion. But to dismiss a sub based off of it's surround size and xmax is pure ignorance.

 

[Shyne151 10+ year member]

hehe...tru dat! I find it funny that Kenwood , since they dont make big enough amps to power it, suggest 2 of their 800watt amps...lol


More like a beefier, larger DA TDX.....cone material looks interesting

Definitely looks like TDX.