I was once a W7 basher also but then got a pair of 8w7's in on trade and I ABSOLUTLY LOVED EM! had em running off a JL 1000/1 and they got retarded low in a sealed box built to spec. They had no right to be as loud, get that low or sound as amazing as they did. Incredible subs. Would i pay retail for em, Heck No! But non the less SICK subs