It's war time...

[1zenlunatic 10+ year member]

Originally posted by marauder maybe not but the war was still better than trying to learn arabic and being forced into beliving in a false god. the war was the right thing to do. sadam has been a problem before and was quickly becoming that way again. i call the war prevenative maintenence.

Learn Arabic?

what are u talking about?

 

[marauder 10+ year member]

Originally posted by 1zenlunatic False God?

they believe in allah which is a false god in my book.

 

[1zenlunatic 10+ year member]

Oh ok. Thats where i thought you were going.

I dont agree with you at all, but everyone is entitled to his/her own beliefs

 

[marauder 10+ year member]

Originally posted by 1zenlunatic Learn Arabic?

 

 

what are u talking about?

you know the muslim language arabic. (i'm not saying all muslims are evil) but i'd rather stop an evil man before he has a chance to do harm to the rest of the world. those people over there kill anyone who believes in the real God and Christianity which makes them an enemy to me.

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by marauder they believe in allah which is a false god in my book.

Were we forced to believe in God?

 

[marauder 10+ year member]

Originally posted by snova031 Were we forced to believe in God?

no we have free will and can believe how we choose. but if those people were to destroy our way of life (if left unchecked that's what they would do) then they would force us to believe in their allah or kill us. so there would be no more free will and those stupid enough to believe in allah would be doomed in the afterlife.

 

[nswartley 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by marauder those people over there kill anyone who believes in the real God and Christianity which makes them an enemy to me.

wow talk about a supremacist attitude...and that is complete bullshit.

christians never forced their beliefs upon anyone? yea right. do you know what missionaries did? they forced their beliefs upon the native americans. in europe plenty of people were killed for religious reasons, as were many people in the north american colonies...plenty of religious persecution has been committed by christians in this world's history so dont think that your religion is so glamorous. your gross generalization about islam is making me sick.

-nate

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by marauder so there would be no more free will and those stupid enough to believe in allah would be doomed in the afterlife.

I don't have an afterlife //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[nswartley 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by marauder no we have free will and can believe how we choose. but if those people were to destroy our way of life (if left unchecked that's what they would do) then they would force us to believe in their allah or kill us. so there would be no more free will and those stupid enough to believe in allah would be doomed in the afterlife.

hahahahah thats comical. they would kill us? my ***...i know plenty of muslims and theyre not out to kill me. i told them im not religious and im still alive so i guess that means that they didnt kill me!

-nate

 

[1zenlunatic 10+ year member]

Originally posted by marauder no we have free will and can believe how we choose. but if those people were to destroy our way of life (if left unchecked that's what they would do) then they would force us to believe in their allah or kill us. so there would be no more free will and those stupid enough to believe in allah would be doomed in the afterlife.

You're monopolizing truth just as you claim that "they" are.

Culture/Religion, PAKISTAN/USA, ISLAM/CHRISTIAN it makes no difference, there are always people everywhere who want the monopoly on truth.

 

[nswartley 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by marauder those stupid enough to believe in allah would be doomed in the afterlife.

i strongly believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but when you start bashing these people with words like 'stupid enough to believe' is just flat out immature and ignorant...what makes your religion so right? what makes theirs wrong? dont give me this 'they go out and kill people' BS.

-nate

 

[marauder 10+ year member]

that's fine, believe as you will and i'll believe as i will and i thank God (the real one) every day that i only have to suffer the repocussions of my own beliefs and actions.

thanks

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

Originally posted by nswartley i strongly believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but when you start bashing these people with words like 'stupid enough to believe' is just flat out immature and ignorant...what makes your religion so right? what makes theirs wrong? dont give me this 'they go out and kill people' BS.

 

-nate

I believe that these terrorists are not true muslims, but rather using the religion to gain supporters and soldiers. These terrorists groups remind me of a cult for this reason. The main problem that I have with the muslim religion is I don't see the followers objecting or speaking out against the terrorist action that is taking place. I personally wish that there was only one religion. But I would even be happy with two religions, Christianity and Hinduism.

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

Originally posted by nswartley wow talk about a supremacist attitude...and that is complete bullshit.

 

christians never forced their beliefs upon anyone? yea right. do you know what missionaries did? they forced their beliefs upon the native americans. in europe plenty of people were killed for religious reasons, as were many people in the north american colonies...plenty of religious persecution has been committed by christians in this world's history so dont think that your religion is so glamorous. your gross generalization about islam is making me sick.

 

-nate

I would answer this by saying similar, but quite different. So your statement is saying because christians persecuted in the past that makes it okay for muslims to do it now? Those who persecute to force people into accepting their religion, in my opinion do not understand their own religion. It's a different story if someone is trying to kill you because of your religion. But if you are trying to kill someone to accept or force a religion on them, that just isn't right. You do realize that it is believed in the christian belief that there will be some people that actually go to church that will not go to heaven because they didn't believe, they just went through the motions. ONe of the problems with these extremeist is that they exist in modern times where technology allows a small group to have a huge impact on the rest of the population. If they got a hold of a nuke what would stop them from using it? They don't value their present life very much because they are willing to die with a bomb strapped to their. back.

 

[nswartley 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by joshpoints I would answer this by saying similar, but quite different. So your statement is saying because christians persecuted in the past that makes it okay for muslims to do it now? Those who persecute to force people into accepting their religion, in my opinion do not understand their own religion. It's a different story if someone is trying to kill you because of your religion. But if you are trying to kill someone to accept or force a religion on them, that just isn't right. You do realize that it is believed in the christian belief that there will be some people that actually go to church that will not go to heaven because they didn't believe, they just went through the motions. ONe of the problems with these extremeist is that they exist in modern times where technology allows a small group to have a huge impact on the rest of the population. If they got a hold of a nuke what would stop them from using it? They don't value their present life very much because they are willing to die with a bomb strapped to their. back.

i am DEFINITELY not saying that either is ok, i am saying that islam is not the only religion that has persecuted people. i, by no means, am saying that christianity or islam is stupid, i am just saying that when he talks about how bad the muslims are, he must remember that other religions have done this also.

as to the extremists muslims, yea they are definitely out there. in larger numbers than most religions, yes. but still islam is by FAR the largest religion in the world, and we must NOT allow the media to hypnotize us into thinking that all muslims are terrorists that kill non-followers. yes, there is a lot of anti-american sentiment out there from muslims, but hey, they have their reasons and we have ours. i strongly condemn what they are doing in places such as the phillipines or any other place, but we must remember that this is a minority. dont you hate it when the few ruin it for all?

Originally posted by joshpoints I believe that these terrorists are not true muslims, but rather using the religion to gain supporters and soldiers. These terrorists groups remind me of a cult for this reason. The main problem that I have with the muslim religion is I don't see the followers objecting or speaking out against the terrorist action that is taking place. I personally wish that there was only one religion. But I would even be happy with two religions, Christianity and Hinduism.

the reason that you dont see these muslims speaking out against terrorism is partly due to the media. i have a few persian friends whose parents always get mad over talk of terrorism, and they are strongly against any types of terrorism. they hate muslim terrorism with a passion. and these terrorists are using religion solely as a device to relate to other islam followers, to gain support for their endeavors.

thats just my opinion.

-nate