imma noob... advise on tweeters?

[Mr.meyhem 10+ year member]

accidentally hooked up my tweeter to my wf on my comps and f'd it up. so I'm looking for a new pair of tweets. silk dome or a horn tweet? i hear the horn tweet is loud as F***!!! i have alpine type r comps right now. on a cadence 250.2

Any suggestions?

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[JoshC 10+ year member]

prob be best off going with another set of typr r tweeters since ure crossovers are set for that tweeter. Or so ive been told....

I personally dont have matching mids and tweets. But i LOVE mine, Digital Designs T2 tweeters and there very loud, clean, and crisp; silk domes. mylows10 is a rep he could hook you up with a set

 

[audiobaun 5,000+ posts]

You want loud with the same size at hand, i would look into Titanium tweeters.Not sure what your budget is, but they can get expensive, well anything can.Ya seems like these days most tweets are soft dome/silk tweets, and I like that loud harsh pitch screaming at me, and really need do to the subs I run.Just a recommendation to just replace.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[Mr.meyhem 10+ year member]

yeah i made a custom fabrication shim for my door tho and i don't wanna have to buy a whole new set... i rather just get some tweets.

and thanks for the suggestions

 

[dragonrage 10+ year member]

Tweeters in a component set are matched to the woofers.

My general recommendation for tweeters that are very good (not THE BEST, but still very good) and well priced are the Seas Neo tweeters which you can get from Madisound. I've used both the aluminum and the silk ones and they sound almost the exact same. Dome material does not necessarily make the sound as some people assume. They would probably work reasonably well with your component set, but maybe not as good as the original tweeter since the set is designed for the original tweeter, after all, not Seas Neo.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Compression horns, yes. Bullet horns, god no. Unless you are building a P/A system I guess.

 

[dragonrage 10+ year member]

Don't do any kind of horn, because they will be hell to match to a component set that didn't come with them. It's not impossible, but it will take a lot of tweaking.

I mean, if you want to do a lot of tweaking, then go for it, but otherwise, avoid.

You absolutely need a decent frequency measuring rig (e.g. Behringer ECM8000 + PC setup + perhaps Room EQ Wizard (REW) or LSPCad or something to help you figure things out)

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Don't do any kind of horn, because they will be hell to match to a component set that didn't come with them. It's not impossible, but it will take a lot of tweaking.
I mean, if you want to do a lot of tweaking, then go for it, but otherwise, avoid.

Somewhat true. Horns will have an output level that will be difficult to match with standard mids. But you can always gain/EQ your horns' output down and consider it 'headroom'. That's what most SQ guys using horns do anyway (in addition to using high sensitivity mids).

 

[dragonrage 10+ year member]

Sensitivity isn't the only factor. The frequency response is going to look different, especially off axis, and the distortion profile will be completely different and everything will blend differently. It's not impossible to do but it's not just a question of setting the level correctly. You might be able to get it to sound "okay" by just getting the level right... and if that's good enough for you then that's fine, I suppose, but if you really want things integrated, then it's going to be a lot more work than that.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Sensitivity isn't the only factor. The frequency response is going to look different, especially off axis, and the distortion profile will be completely different and everything will blend differently. It's not impossible to do but it's not just a question of setting the level correctly. You might be able to get it to sound "okay" by just getting the level right... and if that's good enough for you then that's fine, I suppose, but if you really want things integrated, then it's going to be a lot more work than that.

In the context of this discussion, your reply makes very little sense (no offense). You are talking about things like freq response versus axis positioning, when that has never been addressed here. In fact, compression horns tend to work best off-axis, but exactly how they will perform is highly install dependent. As far as distortion being different, what do you mean? You make it sound as if two speakers cannot operate in unison without their output potential/sensitivity being identical, which is not true at all.

Axis positioning is a factor unrelated to the speaker type chosen, since bullet horns, compression horns, and traditional tweeters can all be mounted on-axis, or off-axis (again depending on the install). It is more complex than simply matching output levels, since you cannot count on a speaker to display linear output along its entire useable bandwidth, but again this is something that a good EQ can (usually) account for, and is not specific only to horn style tweeters.

 

[dragonrage 10+ year member]

I'm talking about the guy integrating them into his current system. I'm saying they won't be a drop in replacement. You are right that he can use them, but what I am saying is that to get things sounding really good, it will take some work.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I'm talking about the guy integrating them into his current system. I'm saying they won't be a drop in replacement. You are right that he can use them, but what I am saying is that to get things sounding really good, it will take some work.

True. But replacing the existing tweeters with any other tweeter is likely going to take some work too. I do however agree that the higher the sensitivity (and horns are very high), the more work it may require. But again, most decent (1/3 octave or good parametric) EQ's can handle this task acceptably well.

Cheers.

 

[dragonrage 10+ year member]

Speaking of the EQ thing, ever seen this? Home | miniDSP

I use that as a crossover... but it can also be used as a pretty advanced EQ, and it can interface with the program I mentioned earlier, Room EQ Wizard (REW) so you can measure your frequency response, have REW calculate some filters to flatten it out, load that into MiniDSP's software, and have something comparable to the function of a JBL MS-8... for like $100ish. Edit: That doesn't include measuring microphone or PC interface for it; more like $150-200 total with an ECM8000/USB XLR interface if you don't have that already.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

No Ive never used one of those, but positive feedback systems using a microphone is fairly common these days. In my experience, they only serve to get you 'in the ballpark', but further manual fine tuning is required to truly dial in your desired sound.

 

[Mr.meyhem 10+ year member]

i really don't know how to tweak the highs... can someone explain more on this? i kinda like the lanzar optibt44, the power acoustik nb-4, and the lanzar optitw. any of these good? i want good highs. i compression horns are hella loud. so I kinda want those, but i do want good sq.. but how much worse could a decent compression horn be for sq and to install and tweak?