IMHO GOD > Evolution

And furthermore, if you look around you'll no doubt get a sense that there is order in the world we live in. But in reality, YOU'RE creating that order. The very act of observation controls reality. The real reality is that it's complete chaos. It's a trick....also called Maya.

God is not > than anything or any thing. God is no thing. From no thing comes everything and every thing. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
I was going to make a long argument explaining my re-conversion to atheism (I assure you that I never really believed there was a god, only that it was potentially plausible, or alternatively that I would never be able to prove that there is or isn't one). The simple answer is that god is easily disproved with the application of logic and mostly disproved with the application of science; the gaps in knowledge only prove that we humans are fallible (far from a perfect creation, as is often argued) and does not prove that there is a god.

At this point, I can see no logical reason that supports god (and even less that support organized religion) and thus cannot support the belief in either of those two. By its own definition, religion encourages a level of conflict and irrationality that has empirically proven how dangerous it is.

The most bizarre thing is that people do not realize that one leap of faith is no more worthy than any other leap of faith. People widely denounce the Greek Gods as false idolatry. There is no reason why this is any more false than any current form of religion, except that belief in the Greek Gods was stamped out by slaughter and oppression committed by Christians against those who believed it. What is "right" in religion is often determined by popularity, which is gained by force....now what person in their right mind would condone or believe in such atrocities?

Epicureanism has influenced me in ways I could never imagine. It is not that I was unaware of Epicurus (or unaware of the detriments of religion in general), but that I believed there was value in organized religion for some. As time has passed, I have seen how religion detracts and patches over the real issues in life. The desire to falsify everything, to hide the realities of life, has really made this world a worse place and brings nothing but frustration for me.

If God is willing to prevent evil, but is not able to

Then He is not omnipotent.

If He is able, but not willing

Then He is malevolent.

If He is both able and willing

Then whence cometh evil?

If He is neither able nor willing

Then why call Him God?
edit: This is not to say that I intend to convert others to Atheism or tell them what to think (ala Fundamentalist Christian...I don't wish to be a mirror image as some Atheists have become)....just that I personally believe there is legitimate harm in the belief of god and/or religion.

 
His coming back to atheism is well deserving of bringing this thread back. It is the best reason of all. Should ha have just made a new thread stating this?
Go cry about watermelon and stfu //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif
my chic and watermelon gives my a sexier 6 pack and bigger chest muscles than yours........ witch

 
Epicureanism has influenced me in ways I could never imagine. It is not that I was unaware of Epicurus (or unaware of the detriments of religion in general), but that I believed there was value in organized religion for some. As time has passed, I have seen how religion detracts and patches over the real issues in life. The desire to falsify everything, to hide the realities of life, has really made this world a worse place and brings nothing but frustration for me.
How did you get into it?? That's good stuff. Ever read any R. Dawkins?

And how is atheism not a religion? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Is it not a set of beliefs and constructs centered around a without-God experience? Just trying to converse, not challenge. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

God talk is fun. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/veryhappy.gif.fec4fed33b4a1279cf10bdd45a039dae.gif

 
How did you get into it?? That's good stuff. Ever read any R. Dawkins?
And how is atheism not a religion? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Is it not a set of beliefs and constructs centered around a without-God experience? Just trying to converse, not challenge. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

God talk is fun. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/veryhappy.gif.fec4fed33b4a1279cf10bdd45a039dae.gif
I have spent quite a while looking at a variety of religions and religious philosophy. Through this I became engrossed in Epicureanism.

I have read quite a bit of Dawkins and watched a few presentations he's done. I think he is a brilliant, brilliant man and makes many good points; my only concern is that he is a mirror image of that which he opposes.

I think the only set of beliefs that is attributable to an atheist is the disbelief in god. Aside from that, it is pretty much free reign. For that reason, I don't really believe it is a religion in the classical sense.

 
I have spent quite a while looking at a variety of religions and religious philosophy. Through this I became engrossed in Epicureanism.
I have read quite a bit of Dawkins and watched a few presentations he's done. I think he is a brilliant, brilliant man and makes many good points; my only concern is that he is a mirror image of that which he opposes.

I think the only set of beliefs that is attributable to an atheist is the disbelief in god. Aside from that, it is pretty much free reign. For that reason, I don't really believe it is a religion in the classical sense.
recommend any websites for an easy read on epicureis(sp?)

 
religion is jsut antoehr reason for people to fight, w/o religon there would probably be more if not compleate peace in the world //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 
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