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[thadman 10+ year member]

Look dude... Our speakers are a far cry from being expensive like you think. And you will not find a louder driver for it's size. Every single person who has sat in my vehicle has came out amazed and they all think it sounds awsome. That is real world proof. Leave your fancy graphs and formulas at home.

...where did I criticize his speaker choice? I never did, I believe I specifically stated that I could not objectively criticize his speakers, only his use of a great multitude and location of them, because I did not have detailed information on their crossover points or slopes or the specific drivers in question. Please read the thread before you make an *** of yourself.

Also, I do know what im talking about if it came down to drivers. Eminence are merely ok pro-sound drivers...efficient yes but a driver like the B&C 8NLD51 would absolutely annihilate it in every aspect.

 

[Relax 10+ year member]

OMG! Its been 24 hours and you still ****!

 

[tEh koRnDog 5,000+ posts]

Ohh they've heard your little high end components and your little JL Subs. And so have I. I can see it now... ''Damn PlateStacker that shit is loud as hell and sounds damn good too!" as opposed to "Thats shits pretty weak man, I cant even hear it over all the bass" and your like... "don't you hear the imagging.. the stagging.. it has stagging guys.." HAHA

whats it like to have your head up your ***?

 

[LoudCrownVic 5,000+ posts]

Wow... Referring to the original posts... I'll bet most of those speaks are run of the headunit or a Walmart amp.

 

[Platestacker45 10+ year member]

...where did I criticize his speaker choice? I never did,

Are you serious? Thats all yall been doing here. You say thet are sub par and we waste our money on them. You say they are full of distortion, even though we say they aren't... reread YOUR posts before you make an *** out of YOURSELF

 

[chillin 10+ year member]

If the only thing you want is spl, are you just using the car for comps. I know what thadman is saying about the cancelations and boosts from standing waves and nodes. I couldnt imagine you would actually want to sit in the car and listen to music. Half the music would be missing.

You should just run the 4 15's and put a couple car alarm sirens in your dash.

 

[thadman 10+ year member]

Everything is relative...It is a waste of money compared to a properly designed setup. If you want to get loud, do it the right way.

 

[jonnybusa 10+ year member]

Look dude... Our speakers are a far cry from being expensive like you think. And you will not find a louder driver for it's size. Every single person who has sat in my vehicle has came out amazed and they all think it sounds awsome. That is real world proof. Leave your fancy graphs and formulas at home.

even the little girl in your sig hates your 77 speakers...............

dont you have a wal mart to get to so you can show the teenagers how loud your system is......appearently all you are after w/ that kinda shit is attention from kids.

 

[jonnybusa 10+ year member]

ya, u guys keep saying "alot of money"
i can get them locally, brand new, for 45 a pair. thats 22.50 each.

not that expensive.

it is when you have 145 pairs in a car

 

[Platestacker45 10+ year member]

Everything is relative...It is a waste of money compared to a properly designed setup. If you want to get loud, do it the right way.

I partially agree with you on "doing it the right way". With my money, this is the best way I can do it. They are cheap costing drivers. They sound very good to me and everyone else. And you will not get any louder for the size of them. I would love to put 15-20 rainbows in my car, but I am far short of the money. And they still woulden't get nearly as loud.

 

[tEh koRnDog 5,000+ posts]

I partially agree with you on "doing it the right way". With my money, this is the best way I can do it. They are cheap costing drivers. They sound very good to me and everyone else. And you will not get any louder for the size of them. I would love to put 15-20 rainbows in my car, but I am far short of the money. And they still woulden't get nearly as loud.

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[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

Ohh they've heard your little high end components and your little JL Subs. And so have I. I can see it now... ''Damn PlateStacker that shit is loud as hell and sounds damn good too!" as opposed to "Thats shits pretty weak man, I cant even hear it over all the bass" and your like... "don't you hear the imagging.. the stagging.. it has stagging guys.." HAHA

Not really.

I have 2 6.5" mids, and 2 1" RingDome Radiator Tweeters.

Properly setup, and powered... keep up with 150+ dB daily great! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Louder than you and your substage.

Are you serious? Thats all yall been doing here. You say thet are sub par and we waste our money on them. You say they are full of distortion, even though we say they aren't... reread YOUR posts before you make an *** out of YOURSELF

No, apparently you didn't read THADMAN'S posts? I knew it.

nG

 

[Platestacker45 10+ year member]

it is when you have 145 pairs in a car

True, but there is no cheaper way of getting that loud is what he is saying. And I only have 6 of them BTW.

 

[thadman 10+ year member]

Are you serious? Thats all yall been doing here. You say thet are sub par and we waste our money on them. You say they are full of distortion, even though we say they aren't... reread YOUR posts before you make an *** out of YOURSELF

I havent had time to read the entire thread, so im only going to comment on the first post.
If only you understood how sound propagated throughout a vehicle or...just in general how it functions you'd slap yourself. You couldve saved yourself some money and just purchased a train horn, because what you have created is nothing but an obnoxious sound transducer...a device that makes lots of noise but virtually nothing else.

1) You are smearing any hope for a nice linear response, because all the waves will reach you at different times on top of the exorbitant amount of reflections in the car.

2) You are also going to have loads of micro nodes in your car, locations where the waves combine in phase (6dB boost) and combine out of phase (6dB loss).

3) You are going to have...no image or be able to visualize the drivers in space because of the disproportionate amount of drivers used in various locations without any sort of time alignment or individual phase control.

4) Im not sure where you are crossing your midranges to tweeters or the actual drivers themselves, so I cant specifically comment on those but from what I've seen so far I doubt you did even a subpar job.

basically your car will sound like shit for various objective reasons that provide irrefutable evidence of it sounding so. I mean if you just like listening to distortion and noise then well...I cant argue with you

Hmmm...Yeah I definitely criticized specific speaker choice?

The interaction between the sound waves and its environment play a massive role in distortion, I am able to predict that before even knowing the driver in question. Why dont you go research on how sound works...or try to actually understand what Im conveying in my posts instead of just interpreting them to your own satisfaction?

FYI Distortion is a broad term that refers to linear distortion as well as non-linear distortion...please read my posts first.

Here we have another specific citation of me stating that I cannot objectively comment on the specific drivers in question...hmm?

Hmmm...ahaha wow you crack me up. Do you even know what distortion really is? Number one we have linear distortion which refers to the transient response of the system as a whole and corresponds to the frequency response, of which yours possesses an inordinate amount of micro nodes that exist within a few inches of themselves. We also have non-linear distortion which refers to generated frequencies that weren't intended to be reproduced.
Your design is going to produce a roller coaster frequency response and an absurd time domain (ie transient response) which is in itself a tremendous amount of distortion.

I havent read far enough in the thread to objectively criticize your system in regards to non-linear distortion. I would need to know how/where your crossovers are, what crossovers you were using, the enclosures your drivers were in, etc etc etc. With all that said, I would put $100 down right now that your system is producing large levels of 2nd order harmonics and possibly 3rd order harmonics.

Here is the actual definition of distortion.

1. An aberration or change in the waveform of a signal.

2. A consequence of such a change, especially a lack of fidelity in reception or reproduction.

Hmm...now you've made an even bigger *** of yourself. Please read the post before you criticize someone.

 

[Chevyaudio 5,000+ posts]

Not really.
I have 2 6.5" mids, and 2 1" RingDome Radiator Tweeters.

 

Properly setup, and powered... keep up with 150+ dB daily great! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Louder than you and your substage.

No, apparently you didn't read THADMAN'S posts? I knew it.

nG

Yup, A properly setup active front stage can handle 150+ db easy. And probably cost comparably to 10-20 pairs of eminence...AND IT WILL SOUND GOOD.