ID Ultra Horns + AA Carbon Fiber Mids = good match?

[tez4life Premium Member]

Probability asking on the wrong forum, lol but hear goes.....thinking about downgrading to a simple stealth subwoofer setup, but wanted to a nice 2 way up front.

Currently im using a pair of Blaupunkt VC100s and a pair of PG RSD mids in the stock location in my doors, unsealed and undeadend, being pushed by a MB Quart Discus 4125. I like the stealth of the setup, but wish I could get a cleaner sound, (my ID Oem mids sounded much better to me IMO). I though that this might be a good time to reconsider horns again since I have a good HU for tuning if necessary.

I had considered the AAs for an active setup a while back, but it came to my attention that they might be a nice match for a set of ID Ultras.

Of course the doors would be deadened heavy and sealed.

Seems like a solid plan? Just looking for some feedback, thanks.

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[tez4life Premium Member]

No love?

 

[modskwod 10+ year member]

I think it would probably be a good setup for whatever it's worth.

 

[timaishu 10+ year member]

Can I have one of your vc100 crossovers if you switch?

One of mine has a stripped terminal screw hole that I dont know how to fix..

 

[tez4life Premium Member]

I think it would probably be a good setup for whatever it's worth.

Thanks man, //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Can I have one of your vc100 crossovers if you switch?
One of mine has a stripped terminal screw hole that I dont know how to fix..

Gladly.....if I still had them, sold them a while back. Sorry //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

I have a extra tweeter since I blew one over the past weekend and these are about to come out. If your interested.

 

[T3mpest 10+ year member]

Your going to need some EQ to get those horns to sound good. Also what's the effeciency on those AA? Horns are 110db/1w/1m, while you can't match that with any conventional driver it's always good to come as close as you can. I'd look a for 90-92 with alot of power. If your not going to do all that just go with a regular tweeter. The horns won't ever be able to be pushed any harder than a regular mid can go anyway and a tweet can handle that SPL no issues with a better frequency response out of the box.

 

[tez4life Premium Member]

Your going to need some EQ to get those horns to sound good. Also what's the effeciency on those AA? Horns are 110db/1w/1m, while you can't match that with any conventional driver it's always good to come as close as you can. I'd look a for 90-92 with alot of power. If your not going to do all that just go with a regular tweeter. The horns won't ever be able to be pushed any harder than a regular mid can go anyway and a tweet can handle that SPL no issues with a better frequency response out of the box.

Im not sure exactly the effeciency of the AAs, but I believe its pretty high, they only require around 150w of input, and from most owners, it seems enough....im glad you mention that, because it was something I was thinking about as well.

EQing im not concerned too much, I have a Pioneer Premier 880, so im quite sure I have that covered.

I did consider the ID Oems again, with a good bit of power, around 200w each. I would love to do something like ID XS series 6.5s or even the 6x9s in custom kick panels, but budget will not allow it, since I have to spend so much on the Horns.

A simple 2 way with just a regular tweeter might be a better deal, and be alot easier to tune, something to consider...

You were one of the people on here I was hoping to respond, thanks //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Jeremy M 10+ year member]

I'd give a high end tweeter a go before i jump into horns. I've said it many times before and i'll say it again...the ID-XS28 tweets are superb to listen to.

 

[timaishu 10+ year member]

Thanks man, //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif



Gladly.....if I still had them, sold them a while back. Sorry //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

I have a extra tweeter since I blew one over the past weekend and these are about to come out. If your interested.

Darn.. Was worth a shot.

Thanks but no thanks on the tweeter. I dont really see myself at risk for blowing mine since my amp doesnt put out too much power.

Thanks though. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Image Dynamics 10+ year member]

Im not sure exactly the effeciency of the AAs, but I believe its pretty high, they only require around 150w of input, and from most owners, it seems enough....im glad you mention that, because it was something I was thinking about as well.
EQing im not concerned too much, I have a Pioneer Premier 880, so im quite sure I have that covered.

I did consider the ID Oems again, with a good bit of power, around 200w each. I would love to do something like ID XS series 6.5s or even the 6x9s in custom kick panels, but budget will not allow it, since I have to spend so much on the Horns.

A simple 2 way with just a regular tweeter might be a better deal, and be alot easier to tune, something to consider...

You were one of the people on here I was hoping to respond, thanks //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

The CDULTRA sounds pretty solid out of the box provided they are installed correctly. (pretty simple install too). Haven't read much about the AA mid, but a good choice to look at instead of the IDOEM (which kicks ***, btw) is the CX62v.2. The new V.2 Chameleon is a refinement on the V.1. The V.2 uses a lighter cone and slightly smaller motor than the V.1. The midbass output is slightly less than the v.1 however, the lower/mid midrange is better with a nautral roll off around 3-3.2Khz.

The X65 (or XS65) is a good choice too. the X65 (midbass only) has a seeming solid midbass resonce however, it appears to be overshadowed by the dominante upper midrange efficiency and natural roll off around 4.5Khz.

The one advantage of the CX62v.2 over the X65 is the availability of a 2ohm option. The CX62v.2 is infact a 2 ohm driver (CX64v.2 - 4 ohm driver) whereas the X65 is only available in 4 ohm (atleast for now).

 

[SqGuySoCal562 10+ year member]

u can also look at the B&C 85ndl i thinks thats the model number they have a high sensitivity something like 92-94db they will keep up with the horns from what i've heard since they are used in pro audio.

 

[bass_lover1 10+ year member]

u can also look at the B&C 85ndl i thinks thats the model number they have a high sensitivity something like 92-94db they will keep up with the horns from what i've heard since they are used in pro audio.

The 8NDL51 is probably the one you're speaking of. Even a 6.5" version from B&C or 18Sound would work too.

To the OP, just remember that with PA drivers you're going to trade off efficiency for low frequency extension. Even the 8" drivers will strain when pushed hard below 80hz. For me this wouldn't be an issue (my mids are crossed at 80hz anyway) but I know a lot of you like your mid/midbass drivers to play subbass frequencies for whatever reason.

 

[tez4life Premium Member]

The CDULTRA sounds pretty solid out of the box provided they are installed correctly. (pretty simple install too). Haven't read much about the AA mid, but a good choice to look at instead of the IDOEM (which kicks ***, btw) is the CX62v.2. The new V.2 Chameleon is a refinement on the V.1. The V.2 uses a lighter cone and slightly smaller motor than the V.1. The midbass output is slightly less than the v.1 however, the lower/mid midrange is better with a nautral roll off around 3-3.2Khz. The X65 (or XS65) is a good choice too. the X65 (midbass only) has a seeming solid midbass resonce however, it appears to be overshadowed by the dominante upper midrange efficiency and natural roll off around 4.5Khz.

The one advantage of the CX62v.2 over the X65 is the availability of a 2ohm option. The CX62v.2 is infact a 2 ohm driver (CX64v.2 - 4 ohm driver) whereas the X65 is only available in 4 ohm (atleast for now).

I completely forgot about the CX62v.2, I remember them having a 2 ohm option...that would work perfect for me with my current amp running the front stage even though honestly, a 50x2 on the horns would be plenty.

u can also look at the B&C 85ndl i thinks thats the model number they have a high sensitivity something like 92-94db they will keep up with the horns from what i've heard since they are used in pro audio.

The 8NDL51 is probably the one you're speaking of. Even a 6.5" version from B&C or 18Sound would work too.
To the OP, just remember that with PA drivers you're going to trade off efficiency for low frequency extension. Even the 8" drivers will strain when pushed hard below 80hz. For me this wouldn't be an issue (my mids are crossed at 80hz anyway) but I know a lot of you like your mid/midbass drivers to play subbass frequencies for whatever reason.

I considered a pro audio driver as well, but as mention, most lack under 100hz for my taste. Wasnt looking for insane midbass, just a nice match to the horns and my substage.

Thanks alot for all the feedback guys, gives me alot to think about...

 

[T3mpest 10+ year member]

I completely forgot about the CX62v.2, I remember them having a 2 ohm option...that would work perfect for me with my current amp running the front stage even though honestly, a 50x2 on the horns would be plenty.







I considered a pro audio driver as well, but as mention, most lack under 100hz for my taste. Wasnt looking for insane midbass, just a nice match to the horns and my substage.

Thanks alot for all the feedback guys, gives me alot to think about...

To actually match those horns your going to need something like that tho. The horns only go down to 1k or so. If you want to use any of the dynamics your horns have to offer you need to be capable of 115-125db's in teh lower midrange where the mid starts to roll off, you wont' get that with many normal speakers without alot of stress and strain. Unless your competing for SQ a bit of subbass behind you isn't a big deal. Especially since it leads to killer midbass, a much cleaner sound overall and 2x as loud as what most car's even attempt to approach.

 

[tez4life Premium Member]

To actually match those horns your going to need something like that tho. The horns only go down to 1k or so. If you want to use any of the dynamics your horns have to offer you need to be capable of 115-125db's in teh lower midrange where the mid starts to roll off, you wont' get that with many normal speakers without alot of stress and strain. Unless your competing for SQ a bit of subbass behind you isn't a big deal. Especially since it leads to killer midbass, a much cleaner sound overall and 2x as loud as what most car's even attempt to approach.

Im open for suggestions, if I decide to go the pro audio route, any particular driver you would recommend? 6.5" but im open to a 8" because im considering doing kick panels anyway. And this is aimed at a nice sounding daily driver on music, mostly R&B and Jazz.