ID Horns or BA 6.53

[dcmcki 10+ year member]

you be suprised about those 8's scour every forum possible. i've heard a couple cars with the x69 mids and they sound beautiful.

I am and will continue to.......you will let me know if you see any now won't you.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[Horsemanwill 10+ year member]

sure if i don't buy them myself.

 

[batvette 10+ year member]

How much eq fiddling they need is partly dependent on where your Xover point is at.... we like to X them over low for the imaging benefits inherent but that leads to the dreaded honkification... I competed with ID comp horns and did very well, even xing over as low as 550 or so but had 2 mitigating factors:

#1 I had them in a 80's corvette (they are still in it and the car's in my driveway, without a stereo tho but I can shoot a pic if u want) and I had them installed top of the dash at eye level- AND I ran the horn bodies through the table saw and elliminated almost 1/3 of the body so the dash became part of the horn, seamlessly. This meant they were lower profile. The fact they were at eye level meant they wouldn't have to be pushed so hard for output and the smaller horn meant they wouldn't honk if you did push them. (the image dynamics reps on the circuit that year treated me like I had the plague for second guessing their computer modeled horn shape. oh well!)

#2 I ran them with their own dedicated channels off an a/d/s p840. Very important to first have an amp with a tightly regulated output regardless of input voltage, none of this cheater amp ****. Secondly to not run with a passive Xover on the same amp channels as regular cone mids, whose impedence shifts dramatically thus changing the Xover point the horns see constantly. Many horn mfrs. used to sell their horns with kits that had passive crossovers along with their mids. I cannot for the life of me think of how the end user would have liked the resulting sound, conventional mids and horn drivers just do not play well with each other when interacting through a passive Xover.

At the Socal IASCA regionals in 98 at circuit city, I placed first in my division (novice 601+) over 7-8 competitors and received a 50/50 imaging score with this setup. (interesting to note the SQ judge that gave me that score was an employee of USD speakerworks!)

Are horns a pain? Yep, and they are not for every car. Done right, nothing else comes close. When you can close your eyes and hear parts of the music coming from 10-15 feet outside the physical boundaries of the vehicle, you have world class sound quality.

 

[dcmcki 10+ year member]

How much eq fiddling they need is partly dependent on where your Xover point is at.... we like to X them over low for the imaging benefits inherent but that leads to the dreaded honkification... I competed with ID comp horns and did very well, even xing over as low as 550 or so but had 2 mitigating factors:
#1 I had them in a 80's corvette (they are still in it and the car's in my driveway, without a stereo tho but I can shoot a pic if u want) and I had them installed top of the dash at eye level- AND I ran the horn bodies through the table saw and elliminated almost 1/3 of the body so the dash became part of the horn, seamlessly. This meant they were lower profile. The fact they were at eye level meant they wouldn't have to be pushed so hard for output and the smaller horn meant they wouldn't honk if you did push them. (the image dynamics reps on the circuit that year treated me like I had the plague for second guessing their computer modeled horn shape. oh well!)

#2 I ran them with their own dedicated channels off an a/d/s p840. Very important to first have an amp with a tightly regulated output regardless of input voltage, none of this cheater amp ****. Secondly to not run with a passive Xover on the same amp channels as regular cone mids, whose impedence shifts dramatically thus changing the Xover point the horns see constantly. Many horn mfrs. used to sell their horns with kits that had passive crossovers along with their mids. I cannot for the life of me think of how the end user would have liked the resulting sound, conventional mids and horn drivers just do not play well with each other when interacting through a passive Xover.

At the Socal IASCA regionals in 98 at circuit city, I placed first in my division (novice 601+) over 7-8 competitors and received a 50/50 imaging score with this setup. (interesting to note the SQ judge that gave me that score was an employee of USD speakerworks!)

Are horns a pain? Yep, and they are not for every car. Done right, nothing else comes close. When you can close your eyes and hear parts of the music coming from 10-15 feet outside the physical boundaries of the vehicle, you have world class sound quality.

Interesting to say the least. Lots of good info.