yeah, but see...the kids around here are ****ing dumbasses. one was giving me a ride home, and he goes, go get a custom box from the place where i'm gonna get my stuff, and i go, yeah i want a ported box tuned to about 40 Hz, and he goes what's that? The kids around here have money, and just assume, ok, well i paid for it, i make the box, or i buy one, and it'll sound ok. I've got a friend, his brother made him this custom box for 3 audiobahn 12's, not sure which kind, but he's got 3 800 watt amps. It sounds so bad. I mean...i've got an 8'' and a 4'' for my computer, and it sounded close to the same level. He didn't have very good wires, and was gonna replace them with some thick blue stuff, but still...ya know? Really, this is the only guy that seems to know what he's talking about in my town. there might be a few kids here and there, but most of them just act like they know what they're talking about. and to budgetSQ, the guy does the install for free. I'll be getting a JVC hu with 3 preouts for 270, 2 Audiobahn AW1500Q for 250 each plus a box for like 550, i think he said, a california blue 1000 watt rms amp for like 380. I've been shopping online and some of the stuff he has is really cheap, and it's got an warranty and everything. So...i think i'm just gonna go with the 15's cause the people that do the installs themself around here screw everything up, and i don't want to do that cause there's no one i can really talk to about it. Oh, and i asked the guy today if i could watch the install and he said it's be from like 5-7 hour job, and if i were to stand around, it'd be aggrivating to him cause i'd be asking a bunch of questions, and what not. So i figure i'll just not worry about it.