I love vinyl.

[Beat_Dominator 5,000+ posts]

Not yet, you still gonna buy it? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[joetama 5,000+ posts]

Not yet, you still gonna buy it? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Maybe? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/up2something.gif.dd110ecf3ae4b76050d87598f2f8de7c.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/naughty.gif.94359f346c0f1259df8038d60b41863e.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif

 

[Beat_Dominator 5,000+ posts]

Lol what a jerk.

 

[joetama 5,000+ posts]

Lol what a jerk.

I

No, but seriously... How far are you from Vegas?

 

[thylantyr 10+ year member]

People are always unhappy with audio gear whether it cost $100 or $20,000.

You have to analyze the situation to see what is really going on with audio electronics. If one doesn't have audio electronics skill + common sense, it will

be hard to filter out marketing voodoo and BS.

Take a page from Dungeons and Dragons regarding a balance of intelligence and

wisdom

"Intelligence tells you what the problem is and how to solve it, wisdom tells you whether or not you should."

There are many skilled electronics folks who would be high intelligence but

have weak wisdom. They insist on modding electronics because they really think

it's audible. They think it's audible because they lack wisdom and are gullible.

I work with such folks too. The trick for young people learning electronics found

in audio gear is to be wise while you gain intelligence in electronics. My knowledge is such

matters comes at an early age gaining intelligence and gaining wisdom by building circuits myself.

Just like D&D, you have to play the game to reach a higher level of understanding. You can

share the info with people so life becomes easier and their money can be spent wisely.

If you don't like the advice, I don't care. You are on your own quest. lol..........

Then you have the people that have no electronic skill, but all of a sudden

they make big assumptions about the audible effects of electronics when they

know nothing about circuits.

Point is. Telling people that budget sources is not good is BS.

There is no reason to spend big dollars on media players.

 

[Beat_Dominator 5,000+ posts]

There are reasons, don't try to justify your poorness by telling us that a $20 portable CD player has the best SQ ever. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 

[elementxero 10+ year member]

People are always unhappy with audio gear whether it cost $100 or $20,000.You have to analyze the situation to see what is really going on with audio electronics. If one doesn't have audio electronics skill + common sense, it will

be hard to filter out marketing voodoo and BS.

Take a page from Dungeons and Dragons regarding a balance of intelligence and

wisdom

"Intelligence tells you what the problem is and how to solve it, wisdom tells you whether or not you should."

There are many skilled electronics folks who would be high intelligence but

have weak wisdom. They insist on modding electronics because they really think

it's audible. They think it's audible because they lack wisdom and are gullible.

I work with such folks too. The trick for young people learning electronics found

in audio gear is to be wise while you gain intelligence in electronics. My knowledge is such

matters comes at an early age gaining intelligence and gaining wisdom by building circuits myself.

Just like D&D, you have to play the game to reach a higher level of understanding. You can

share the info with people so life becomes easier and their money can be spent wisely.

If you don't like the advice, I don't care. You are on your own quest. lol..........

Then you have the people that have no electronic skill, but all of a sudden

they make big assumptions about the audible effects of electronics when they

know nothing about circuits.

Point is. Telling people that budget sources is not good is BS.

There is no reason to spend big dollars on media players.

/nomination for #1 nerd stereotype ever

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

"Intelligence tells you what the problem is and how to solve it, wisdom tells you whether or not you should."
There are many skilled electronics folks who would be high intelligence but

have weak wisdom. They insist on modding electronics because they really think

it's audible. They think it's audible because they lack wisdom and are gullible.

I work with such folks too. The trick for young people learning electronics found

in audio gear is to be wise while you gain intelligence in electronics. My knowledge is such

matters comes at an early age gaining intelligence and gaining wisdom by building circuits myself.

Just like D&D, you have to play the game to reach a higher level of understanding. You can

share the info with people so life becomes easier and their money can be spent wisely.

If you don't like the advice, I don't care. You are on your own quest. lol..........

Then you have the people that have no electronic skill, but all of a sudden

they make big assumptions about the audible effects of electronics when they

know nothing about circuits.

Point is. Telling people that budget sources is not good is BS.

There is no reason to spend big dollars on media players.

Now you can call me wrong but I went from a $150 universal DVD player to a $1300 universal DVD player. Are you trying to say that all the differences I notice with this are all in my head because I don't have any electronics engineering background?? I'm not calling you out but I hear what I hear. I may not take electronics components apart and look at them and understand how they work in depth but I know enough to have fun and enjoy the benefits of higher end equipment. I will say that lower cost equipment can be enjoyed just like higher end stuff but to say you can't make improvements by spending a little more money is false.

 

[thylantyr 10+ year member]

There are reasons, don't try to justify your poorness by telling us that a $20 portable CD player has the best SQ ever. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

Portable players have analog stage noise problems because the application they

are designed for is different than a regular home audio install. If you are an

audio geek and wanted to prove their high SQ, then you need to bypass their

analog output stage and then it will work much better.

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[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

One always enjoys cheap stuff until they have heard the real thing.

For example, I thought my Sony speakers off my Aiwa h/u with a pair of 12w0's was incredible. Then I heard a real system //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[thylantyr 10+ year member]

Now you can call me wrong but I went from a $150 universal DVD player to a $1300 universal DVD player. Are you trying to say that all the differences I notice with this are all in my head

Are you listening to CD's or comparing other media?

If CD's - If the $150 player was a reputable brand then the SQ will be pretty high unless it had a design flaw that somehow made it past the engineers during design. An ABX would really tell you the true tale.

I have the same CD's from 20 years ago. Playing those CD's in modern players

sounds the same as it did playing them on players used 20 years ago.

Reading CD data and converting to analog for playback has been figured out

decades ago. It's simple stuff. Why would people think 20 years later that

it hasn't been figured out and there is some magical hidden potential ? Makes no sense. The root cause of SQ is the limitation of the CD technology.

People should buy higher end players for video because the video technology

changes and the eye is very sensitivity to PQ vs. the ear which isn't as precise an

instrument to hear changes in SQ, ie .. you can see 'gremlins' on a scope but

your ear won't detect them. You can see 'gremlins' on a video screen and identify

them easy.

 

[thylantyr 10+ year member]

One always enjoys cheap stuff until they have heard the real thing.




For example, I thought my Sony speakers off my Aiwa h/u with a pair of 12w0's was incredible. Then I heard a real system //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

The issue is not broad like your example. You are comparing one system

vs. another system. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

Are you listening to CD's or comparing other media?
If CD's - If the $150 player was a reputable brand then the SQ will be pretty high unless it had a design flaw that somehow made it past the engineers during design. An ABX would really tell you the true tale.

I have the same CD's from 20 years ago. Playing those CD's in modern players

sounds the same as it did playing them on players used 20 years ago.

Reading CD data and converting to analog for playback has been figured out

decades ago. It's simple stuff. Why would people think 20 years later that

it hasn't been figured out and there is some magical hidden potential ? Makes no sense. The root cause of SQ is the limitation of the CD technology.

People should buy higher end players for video because the video technology

changes and the eye is very sensitivity to PQ vs. the ear which isn't as precise an

instrument to hear changes in SQ, ie .. you can see 'gremlins' on a scope but

your ear won't detect them. You can see 'gremlins' on a video screen and identify

them easy.

Truth is I did buy this player for my home theater and because it plays DVD movies. The fact that it plays CDs, SACDs, and DVD-Audio were contributing factors but not the deciding factors. But I will say that I disagree with your logic that all CD players are created equally. I will say that some players that are stand alone CD only players can be ridiculous. Personally I wouldn't buy a stand alone CD player (well not anymore since I have one already that I don't really use) this day and age. But I won't deny the benefits of having one if it was of good quality. I guess what I'm saying is that the quality differences between cheap and expensive CD players isn't the fact that they've discovered some new way of converting digital to analog. Its the fact that they use much higher quality construction, better output stages and a solid disc loading mechanism. Not to mention better circuitry. Is all that totally necessary?? Depends on who you ask. It all depends on what said individual is willing to spend and how much quality is enough.

Here is an outrageously priced CD player, I could never see this worthy of the price tag but I bet someone does.

http://store.acousticsounds.com/browse_detail.cfm?Title_ID=13160&section=

Where as this one is much cheaper but still on the expensive side depending on who you ask.

http://store.acousticsounds.com/browse_detail.cfm?Title_ID=15712

 

[thylantyr 10+ year member]

When debating about CD players, we are mainly concerned with SQ not build

quality because most people will buy something because they heard something.

There is nothing wrong with spending more money on better build quality but that

will never guarantee better SQ over cheap build quality. Here's an example.

When you prototype an electronic circuit, build quality is piss poor.

http://home.pacbell.net/lordpk/temp/PrototypeTop.jpg

http://home.pacbell.net/lordpk/temp/PrototypeBottom.jpg

That prototype is a 1992 project of mine. Once you get it work even with

poor build quality, better build quality doesn't guarantee better performance.

The design with high build quality.

http://home.pacbell.net/lordpk/temp/PcbTop.jpg

http://home.pacbell.net/lordpk/temp/VoiceBlaster-Small.jpg

Which one works better? The proto or the final design? Both work the same,

but nobody would buy the proto because it's fugly.

With audio circuits, the issue is less important. With high speed circuits like

computing, build quality matters, but we are talking about high frequency

{gigabit} and/or high signal edge rates, none of this is found in audio circuits,

audio circuits are snail slow compares to modern computing.

 

[joetama 5,000+ posts]

Well believe what you want. But, you get what you pay for. You pay more and might not know what they do, but you can hear it. If you can't hear the difference (which some can't)... Hhahaha... Then good for YOU. BUT OBVIOUSLY others can (adam71, Beat, and myself), otherwise everyone would have a line array and a cheap $100 player and just own CD's.

K thanks that is all.....