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So now its not just two people who remember the italian chip lie, its 20. Well at least your reality has allowed a little to seep in from the rest of ours. Some day you'll realize that story/thread, and you, have become a classic on this forum. People 'dont let go' of classics that make people laugh every time they think about them. Do people forget about Caddy Shack? That's what you are to this forum, a scene from Caddy Shack... like the kid who picks his nose and eats the booger, while this forum is the caddies hiding in the bushes, some betting on if you'll actually eat your own booger, some laughing at your booger eating antics, and the rest are just plain grossed out by you. There's just no letting that go.
I dont care if I 'pwn' you or not, but to come crying about someone else saying it is you claiming you didnt eat the booger. You ate the booger, we all saw you from the bushes. You 'pwned' yourself.

As for the speaker question, its funny how you ask this every 6 months or so, I explain, and then 6 months later you ask again as if I dont know. Your memory sucks. But just to amuse you, ill tell you again.

Speakers do not produce linear output across their entire usable bandwidth. Even in an anechoic situation, a speaker's output is erratic. Add in reflections off vehicle interior's surfaces and things get even worse. Now, couple that problem with two speakers who are not perfectly coupled (different brands, models or sizes) and that erratic response becomes even worse. Not better, not the same... worse. Even in an anechoic chamber, trying to couple unlike drivers would lead to more erratic behavior. When I informed you of this at the time, your response? You said you aligned the stars just right so that all these problems came together to actually help each other. When I asked you how you did it, you said by accident. When I asked how you knew your dumb luck created a one in a million situation, you said your ears told you. Your ears didnt hear it all come together well, your ego and your ignorance did. So now here you are, 2 years later, still trying to grasp at a thread that some how your four 10's and one 13.5 clusterfuck was a good idea. It was ignorant, and so were you. As was the time you tried to convince us your dodge ram had a 145hp $8k Italian power chip in it. So again I ask, after how many amazingly ignorant comments from you, as you act like you are an expert and "99%" sure, should we simply stop listening to a damn thing you say? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif Long before this thread, that's when. You seem to think you can talk out your *** whenever you want to, and it wont catch up to you. Its caught up to you, long long ago.

Now that Ive given you an 'accurate description' why it was a retarded thing to do, can you give us an 'accurate description' of why you would build such a contraption in the first place? Even if you were right and it was simply a dumb luck move that it all came together (which it didnt, but saying that for the point Im making), you had no way to know that before you built the 5-sub turd. So why did you? I mean, if you know jack shit about audio, and at the time you claimed you were your town's expert at it, why would you even attempt such a piece of shit install? To me, the answer is obvious. You made the classic mistake alot of noobs make, not realizing different subs/sizes in fact creates an unwanted situation, and did it out of some ignorant reason of needing 'lower' bass and 'upper' bass from the two different sized subs. Its a common mistake noobs make, but your ego wont let you just say 'yeah I was a fucking noob', your ego demands you argue that it some how made sense, that it worked, blah blah blah.

Let me give you an example. My first system consisted of two 10's in a ported box, and two 12's in a bandpass 20 some years ago. I was a fucking noobie who didnt know shit. Realizing that, and admitting it to myself, allowed me to learn. Putting an ego aside will hasten building intelligence and wisdom. Some day you'll realize that. But clearly, you have not yet. To be honest, Ive seen enough semi-intelligent things from you to know you arent stupid, you're just too damn caught up in your own ego to become smart, or god forbid, wise. Keep wallowing in your own self confidence based on nothing but your own feeling of being special, and see where it gets you.

As for craving attention, I find it ironic the kid who tried to convince us his dodge ram was anything more than an average pickup truck, or that his commonly flawed multi-sized sub system was special and one in a million, or that his 265hp girl-machine is a race car... is now claiming Im the one here who wants attention. News flash, I like reminding you what a pathetic lying attention whore you are, for my own personal amusement. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wave.gif.002382ce7d7c19757ab945cc69819de1.gif
Guess what? that is in NO WAY cancellation. even in a non-echoic "as you say" environment, different VIBRATIONS OF THE SAME FREQUENCY AND MAGNITUDE give an erratic response based on their location in reference to one another.

That said, a 10w6v2 and a 13w6v2 have very similar response characteristics. You are acting like one has a 6db difference between 60 and 61hz and the other has a 10db difference. It's just not gunna happen pops.

What you are saying may be good in theory but it its just BS in practice. And a good theory describes a phenomenon well. Thus, it's not a good theory.

Sure it may not be an award winning SQ setup, but with 5 subs of any size did you really think the major orientation was SQ? However among systems on the loudness caliber of it, It was exceptionally high quality.

My point is, you continually go on about things you don't have any idea about because you think you know everything about a similar circumstance. Your reasoning is the method of tenacity.

You can't even understand what the actual situation was about because you can't release your personally constructed believes. Sadly the human mind is so powerful, that as long as you choose to be ignorant there is nothing I nor anyone else can do to help you.

Let me ask you something, Have you ever defended a faith, or lack thereof? Did you have any proof for your stance? If you did than you don't understand the concept of faith.

Well here is the situation. A long time ago your dad tells you there is a piece of electronics in the truck that gives you a 145hp boost. Even if you are skeptical you tend to believe things an authority figure says. Not knowing much of anything about how engines work, however much I know how to use them, I believe him. At the first question, I admit that I have no idea, and the possibility of the non-existance of the item. However, you ignore ALL that.

In your mind, I hadn't taken it back at all. In your mind i'm still arguing that it exists, in your mind I was still arguing it existed after the first time I posted it.

In truth, I may be a symbolic buger eater, But you are LITERALLY a dogmatic idiot who can't grasp simple concepts because your ego won't let you wrap your mind around anything that doesn't fit a pre-disposed belief you have about the world or anything in it.

You search people for criticizable material and when you find it you latch on like taking an alligator by the tail. You keep ahold because you think as long as there are enough people that think you aren't an idiot for grabbing the thing, you still look cool, but let go and get bit, and poof, you're an idiot.

Well guess what? I'm not an alligator, I don't give a shit about you. I don't want to follow you around and scrutinize your posts. So how about you stop doing it to me?

Frankly no one cares what you have to say about me anymore, that false fallacy you used to make me look stupid by gets a little clearer each time you try it. And by now you are on the border of starting to look foolish.

It's like watching a man pile drive a baby. When he's a baby, it may be hilarious in a twisted way. But after awhile people just start to hate the man for being a moron, and then when the baby grows up it's a different story entirely.

For your own sake, just fvcking stop. Not for me, i'll talk about it all day I don't give a shit. For you, just stop.

 
Wow. We have the new version of Bigbangtheory and IceT going. I'm just having a hard time figuring out which one I think is more like IceT and which one fits BBT better. Audioholic does seem like the stalker in this case though...

 
Guess what? that is in NO WAY cancellation. even in a non-echoic "as you say" environment, different VIBRATIONS OF THE SAME FREQUENCY AND MAGNITUDE give an erratic response based on their location in reference to one another.
That said, a 10w6v2 and a 13w6v2 have very similar response characteristics. You are acting like one has a 6db difference between 60 and 61hz and the other has a 10db difference. It's just not gunna happen pops.

What you are saying may be good in theory but it its just BS in practice. And a good theory describes a phenomenon well. Thus, it's not a good theory.

Sure it may not be an award winning SQ setup, but with 5 subs of any size did you really think the major orientation was SQ? However among systems on the loudness caliber of it, It was exceptionally high quality.

My point is, you continually go on about things you don't have any idea about because you think you know everything about a similar circumstance. Your reasoning is the method of tenacity.

You can't even understand what the actual situation was about because you can't release your personally constructed believes. Sadly the human mind is so powerful, that as long as you choose to be ignorant there is nothing I nor anyone else can do to help you.

Let me ask you something, Have you ever defended a faith, or lack thereof? Did you have any proof for your stance? If you did than you don't understand the concept of faith.

Well here is the situation. A long time ago your dad tells you there is a piece of electronics in the truck that gives you a 145hp boost. Even if you are skeptical you tend to believe things an authority figure says. Not knowing much of anything about how engines work, however much I know how to use them, I believe him. At the first question, I admit that I have no idea, and the possibility of the non-existance of the item. However, you ignore ALL that.

In your mind, I hadn't taken it back at all. In your mind i'm still arguing that it exists, in your mind I was still arguing it existed after the first time I posted it.

In truth, I may be a symbolic buger eater, But you are LITERALLY a dogmatic idiot who can't grasp simple concepts because your ego won't let you wrap your mind around anything that doesn't fit a pre-disposed belief you have about the world or anything in it.

You search people for criticizable material and when you find it you latch on like taking an alligator by the tail. You keep ahold because you think as long as there are enough people that think you aren't an idiot for grabbing the thing, you still look cool, but let go and get bit, and poof, you're an idiot.

Well guess what? I'm not an alligator, I don't give a shit about you. I don't want to follow you around and scrutinize your posts. So how about you stop doing it to me?

Frankly no one cares what you have to say about me anymore, that false fallacy you used to make me look stupid by gets a little clearer each time you try it. And by now you are on the border of starting to look foolish.

It's like watching a man pile drive a baby. When he's a baby, it may be hilarious in a twisted way. But after awhile people just start to hate the man for being a moron, and then when the baby grows up it's a different story entirely.

For your own sake, just fvcking stop. Not for me, i'll talk about it all day I don't give a shit. For you, just stop.
I dont even need to say anything, I can respond using your own words against you.

so here is my planned system i"m wanting ta get some opinions... please don't critize me if you don't know what you're talking about... and read all the specs before u say anything...
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This system will be powered by 2 JL audio 1000/1's...

the airspace is slightly more than factory specification but i have sound-absorbent foam to compensate for the size while giving the bass a tighter, cleaner sound. PS: i don't think there are any problems, i think it sounds amazing i only want opionions

and this post is from a previous disasterous thread... so i'll answer the obvious questions i want two different size subs because the bigger subs can hit much lower frequencies louder and cleaner than the tens.... the ratio of 1 13 to 4 10's seems to be more equal then say 2 13's to 4 10's (i have heard them both) there is no cancellation because the differnt sized subs are in different air spaces and the amps set to different frequencies... cancelation is caused by 2 differnent subs emitting the same signal for various reasons.... and i had the comment that 1000 wats from a jl amp sounds the same as 1000 watts from any brand amp... to me that statment made me die laughing but again give me your opinions... and yes!!! the system so far costed 2000 bucks more than my car is worth
You now claim you chose W6's to get loud, but at the time you claimed you chose the sub sizes to achieve the freq response you wanted (larger sub for lower freqs). You tried to squelch people telling you about freq response problems by claiming the subs played diff freqs, but when asked how to isolated each pass band, your reply was by using the parametric EQ on the amp. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

the center freuqency of the parametric equalizer on the amp
Im acting like there is a 6db difference in the response between the two subs? Apparently you want us to believe those different subs sound extremely similar, yet you chose two different sizes to get a different frequency response out of them. Contradict yourself much? According to JL's site, the 10w6v2 has an Fs of 28.5hz while the 13w6v2 has an Fs of 24.3 hz. That's significant, and more than enough to cause problems coupling the sub's output. Besides, you isolated their response, with your EQ, right? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif

http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?series_id=6

the center freuqency of the parametric equalizer on the amp
And if the 10w6 and 13w6 have such similar freq responses, why did you need a 13 and 10's? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

As to this 'authority figure' telling you something you believed, again your own words defy you...

all of that is very likely to be untrue because my dad exadgerates very badly
So again you show a propensity to act like an expert about something you know nothing about (engines) based only on info from a source you say is unreliable at best. Yet here you are sharing your knowledge on automotive performance only 2 years later.

And no, you didnt back down immediately when people questioned you on the Italian power chip. You made comments like this:

no it's gas but i'm 99% sure its a 145 hp chip... i will get specific info about it asap...
You only backed down when it became clear nobody believed you, and you were trying to wage an argument with a hopelessly flawed position. I find it ironic you call me tenacious. You still claim nobody cares about your Italian chip story, when as Ive already said, its become a classic joke on this forum.

Cheers.

 
"Long *** stupid quote."
Cheers.
Congrats, you managed to bring up the FIRST FIRST FIRST post I made on this forum from YEARS ago.

Here is are some things I learned a long time ago:

Bigger subs can't necessarily hit lower notes better, but they do tend to have a lower fs.

Multiple sized subs in the same setup "LOOKS" ghetto.

CANCELLATION IS NOT MORE PRESENT IN MULTI SIZED SETUPS THAN SAME SIZED. If you are going to argue peaky frequency response you are an idiot. You have no way of knowing how the frequency responses of those 2 subs complement each other. (((THATS NOOOO WAY. PERIOD))) so STFU.

What hasn't changed since then is my knowledge of how that system sounded.

Admitted the first time I came here I was puerile in my knowledge of why it didn't sound like the sack of monkey nuts you wanted to tell me it would sound like, But I knew it didn't.

Now I know enough to tell you why, and instead of acknowledging this, you revert to posts that are years old.

And the chip thing?

My 5th 6th and 8th post after posting the picks of the truck and getting questioned about the chip.

no it's gas but i'm 99% sure its a 145 hp chip... i will get specific info about it asap...
god chill about the chip! i said i will get specific info about it... i highly doubt he still has the box
i have never seen the chip... but i was told that it does everything, timing, fuel levels and everything... it wasn't availible in the US... it was custom ordered, designed specifacally for that truck and costed 8000 bucks... all of that is very likely to be untrue because my dad exadgerates very badly, thats why i'm gunna ask him specifically about it when i get the chance
Yes it sounds like I was REALLY adamant about it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif Did I mention this was almost 3 years ago?

Like I said, just STFU for your own sake.

 
Congrats, you managed to bring up the FIRST FIRST FIRST post I made on this forum from YEARS ago.
Here is are some things I learned a long time ago:

Bigger subs can't necessarily hit lower notes better, but they do tend to have a lower fs.

Multiple sized subs in the same setup "LOOKS" ghetto.

CANCELLATION IS NOT MORE PRESENT IN MULTI SIZED SETUPS THAN SAME SIZED. If you are going to argue peaky frequency response you are an idiot. You have no way of knowing how the frequency responses of those 2 subs complement each other. (((THATS NOOOO WAY. PERIOD))) so STFU.

What hasn't changed since then is my knowledge of how that system sounded.

Admitted the first time I came here I was puerile in my knowledge of why it didn't sound like the sack of monkey nuts you wanted to tell me it would sound like, But I knew it didn't.

Now I know enough to tell you why, and instead of acknowledging this, you revert to posts that are years old.

And the chip thing?

My 5th 6th and 8th post after posting the picks of the truck and getting questioned about the chip.

Yes it sounds like I was REALLY adamant about it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif Did I mention this was almost 3 years ago?

Like I said, just STFU for your own sake.
You keep mentioning 'cancellation'... you dont even seem to fathom my point.

Next...

"Bigger subs can't necessarily hit lower notes better, but they do tend to have a lower fs."

wut? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif You dont appear to know what Fs indicates. Go google it, then come back and pretend you knew all along.

Next, if multi-sized setups are so awesome, why dont any SQ competitors use them? Why dont you even use one anymore? If it sounded so awesome, why dont you continue to use a multi-sized sub setup? Because you now know its stupid, but your ego wont let you admit I, and half the forum, was right.

You complain I bring up something from years ago, but you persist in saying that your 2-3 year old logic is still correct, when everyone here knows it is not.

Lastly, for all we know your dad told you that your car will burn rubber all day long from 30mph. rofl And, its pretty sad to see you throw your own dad to the wolves just to cover your own lie in order to save face to a bunch of strangers on the internet. What would dear old day say if someone linked him to your thread?

See you again tomorrow.

 
You keep mentioning 'cancellation'... you dont even seem to fathom my point.
I fathom your point completely, It's that the erratic responses of 2 different woofers combined yeilds a more erradic response. And i'm saying its bogus because you cannot possible know how 2 given subs' responses will complement each other. For you to sit hear and pretend you can at all, makes you truely look like a jackas$.

Next...
"Bigger subs can't necessarily hit lower notes better, but they do tend to have a lower fs."

wut? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif You dont appear to know what Fs indicates. Go google it, then come back and pretend you knew all along.
First of all I know what Fs is, (its not that advanced of a concept, but good try at trying to make me look stupid.) I was referring to the Fs because a Bigger diameter sub per given model will tend to peak at a lower frequency than a smaller one in free air. So technically speaking, yes bigger subs usually hit lower frequencies more efficiently. Of course an enclosure changes all that.

Next, if multi-sized setups are so awesome, why dont any SQ competitors use them? Why dont you even use one anymore? If it sounded so awesome, why dont you continue to use a multi-sized sub setup? Because you now know its stupid, but your ego wont let you admit I, and half the forum, was right.
You complain I bring up something from years ago, but you persist in saying that your 2-3 year old logic is still correct, when everyone here knows it is not.
Are you that stupid? By that logic, for that matter, why do I only use 3 10's now instead of 4. First because of space restrictions, second because I don't need that much volume, third because it's none of your fvcking business what I do and don't want to put in my car. Would i attempt another multi-sub setup? Most likely if it wasn't too improbable. I got that 13 **** near free with the 4 10's So why the hell not try and hook it up with the rest? It turned out! big whoop, move on fegglette. Sure it doesn't necessarily give you better response, but it doesn't necessarily give you worse response either. There are so many variables thats like saying a ported box is designed badly just by looking at it.
Lastly, for all we know your dad told you that your car will burn rubber all day long from 30mph. rofl And, its pretty sad to see you throw your own dad to the wolves just to cover your own lie in order to save face to a bunch of strangers on the internet. What would dear old day say if someone linked him to your thread?
See you again tomorrow.
//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif who cares, my dad is a pathological liar, don't think he knows he lies? This entire discussion had 0% relevance to the topic i've been discussing in this thread. so don't try with your perverse stupid and flawed little audioholic logic to make sense out of things you can't grasp, you've already made yourself look foolish enough.

 
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