How did Rainbow get to be such a huge boner?

[headless 10+ year member]

Wow, that's a great price for 4 mids, 2 tweeters and the x-over's.. Strange, though, he says the x-over's are made for 2 woofers, but there are only outputs for 1 woofer on the x-over picture he shows... I was under the impression that the x-over's from rainbow have different x-over points for the second set of woofers, which would necessitate a second output from each x-over. Has anyone got the official 465 set who can confirm how they function?

 

[nismos14 5,000+ posts]

It's the dual woofer set. Works with the xover.

 

[redcalimp5 10+ year member]

It's the dual woofer set. Works with the xover.

http://car.rainbow-audio.de/products/details.php?lan=2&pro=1&lin=17&art=231539

 

[Fast1one 10+ year member]

Wow, that's a great price for 4 mids, 2 tweeters and the x-over's.. Strange, though, he says the x-over's are made for 2 woofers, but there are only outputs for 1 woofer on the x-over picture he shows... I was under the impression that the x-over's from rainbow have different x-over points for the second set of woofers, which would necessitate a second output from each x-over. Has anyone got the official 465 set who can confirm how they function?

Thats how it SHOULD be....the set on ebay appears to be just the regular germs with an extra set of mids...
Unless rainbow neglected to make the second set of woofers midbass only (2.5 way)....which I doubt...

 

[Beerdrnkr 5,000+ posts]

Two mids or more = FTL. You are going to have combing issues if you run both of them up to the tweeter highpass...
Best way to do it is to run one woofer from the lower highpass to the tweeter highpass, then the second as midbass only up to ~2-300hz...

This is my first time going active so I'm sure I haven't figured out the best way to do things but the way I have it set is the front preouts of the HU to the front input of my PPI dcx-730 to the front output of the PPI to my zx650.4 amp to power my kick mids, PPI rear out to the zx350.4 amp to power my tweeters, PPI sub out to my zx650.4 for the mid doors, HU rear to the zx350.4 for the rear fill (i like it), and HU sub out to the zx2500.1 for the sub. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

 

[Fast1one 10+ year member]

This is my first time going active so I'm sure I haven't figured out the best way to do things but the way I have it set is the front preouts of the HU to the front input of my PPI dcx-730 to the front output of the PPI to my zx650.4 amp to power my kick mids, PPI rear out to the zx350.4 amp to power my tweeters, PPI sub out to my zx650.4 for the mid doors, HU rear to the zx350.4 for the rear fill (i like it), and HU sub out to the zx2500.1 for the sub. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

Try running the mids in the doors as midbass only(~60-200hz), then run the ones in the kicks either from the lower crossover point (~60 or whatever you choose), or as a dedicated midrange from 2-300hz to the tweeter highpass...

 

[Beerdrnkr 5,000+ posts]

Try running the mids in the doors as midbass only(~60-200hz), then run the ones in the kicks either from the lower crossover point (~60 or whatever you choose), or as a dedicated midrange from 2-300hz to the tweeter highpass...

Will do. I'm guessing it's going to be neverending tuning for me.

 

[Fast1one 10+ year member]

Will do. I'm guessing it's going to be neverending tuning for me.

2.5 and 3 way systems are naturally complicated, the trick is positioning the drivers the right way the first time, which can take hours...
Took me about 2 hours to find the position I liked in the kicks for fiberglass pods...Aim, listen, pay with phase, listen, level match, re aim, listen....

Worth it in the end though, less tuning //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[filtor1 10+ year member]

Oh, believe me I'll be working on it. My 3way rainbow germs might be plenty enough for me though.

When installed correctly, there is no doubt you will be happy with any set you buy. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[filtor1 10+ year member]

thats a nice neat install

Thank you sir! I like it to look as stock as possible.

 

[filtor1 10+ year member]

tight...I still need to hear these speakers

Let me know when you are in town again. I will do my best to accomodate. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[HowLowd 10+ year member]

Thats how it SHOULD be....the set on ebay appears to be just the regular germs with an extra set of mids...
Unless rainbow neglected to make the second set of woofers midbass only (2.5 way)....which I doubt...

The set on ebay would happen to be the official 465s. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

The mids are bridged parallel at the xover for a two ohm load on the mid instead of the 4 ohm that you get with the 265. thanks for playing though //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

and payment wasnt received on them. hence i still have em. got my listing money back though

 

[HowLowd 10+ year member]

Wow, that's a great price for 4 mids, 2 tweeters and the x-over's.. Strange, though, he says the x-over's are made for 2 woofers, but there are only outputs for 1 woofer on the x-over picture he shows... I was under the impression that the x-over's from rainbow have different x-over points for the second set of woofers, which would necessitate a second output from each x-over. Has anyone got the official 465 set who can confirm how they function?

impression is wrong. you...yadda yadda yadda.. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

in running them you have a gang of adjustable points on the xover, but in doing so it adjusts the mids as two pairs. no individual inputs for them. used one set in the kicks a set in the doors and loved em. no rear fill. Just needed something to keep up with what i was running in the trunk. never had an issue and was more than happy with em. no issues with em ever. and after a default auction, i have a buyer that is possibly going to follow through. if so //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/veryhappy.gif.fec4fed33b4a1279cf10bdd45a039dae.gif if not i finish deadening the doors and throw em back in the new car lol.

 

[Fast1one 10+ year member]

The set on ebay would happen to be the official 465s. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gifThe mids are bridged parallel at the xover for a two ohm load on the mid instead of the 4 ohm that you get with the 265. thanks for playing though //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

and payment wasnt received on them. hence i still have em. got my listing money back though

impression is wrong. you...yadda yadda yadda.. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif
in running them you have a gang of adjustable points on the xover, but in doing so it adjusts the mids as two pairs. no individual inputs for them. used one set in the kicks a set in the doors and loved em. no rear fill. Just needed something to keep up with what i was running in the trunk. never had an issue and was more than happy with em. no issues with em ever. and after a default auction, i have a buyer that is possibly going to follow through. if so //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/veryhappy.gif.fec4fed33b4a1279cf10bdd45a039dae.gif if not i finish deadening the doors and throw em back in the new car lol.

Not questioning if they were "official" or not, but I find it pretty ridiculous that rainbow would completely the adverse effects of running to mids two the tweeter high pass, without any compensation to combing issues and sound staging...

MTMs work at home because combing issues become less of an issue when the drivers are positioned vertically and the tweeter is equidistant from the midwoofers . Additionally, automobile cabins offer poor response for obvious reasons, which is why the set should be compensated actively...

Can it be done? Of course it can, however each mid would have to be compensated with different filters, slopes, and individual equalization to combat the issues of tonality and especially sound staging. It may have worked in your vehicle passively, but with so many variables its hard do discern if it would work in EVERY vehicle...

This is why I recommended doing a 2.5 way system. Its a whole lot easier to setup as midbass is most omni-directional, so the ".5" midbass would be much easier to integrate in to the system. 1 midrange woofer would be plenty loud enough...if its not, then TURN YOUR SUB DOWN. Its music sillies...

Thanks for playing? Thats cute //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Remember guys, when you add more variables the system obviously becomes more complicated. Running on a set passive crossover adds another, additional mid shoots it through the roof //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[WiCKeD 5.9L 10+ year member]

Rainbow have excellent midbass. Highs are very good as well.