Honda rolls out new zero-emission car

[85Caprice4d 10+ year member]

to bad they will not be making them to run off of water, they will need pure hydrogen.

i was refering to price. if hydrogen is so plentiful why is whater so expensive when it is composed of mostly hydrogen?

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

my farts have 0 emissions!

mine dont

 

[SRim23 5,000+ posts]

Tesla > $100K, which is why you've never heard of it before, not a car for the masses.

yeah its like 108k but i see alot of people driving hummers even today with 4 bucks a gallon. whats a hummer go for these days like 50k? to fill that tank a couple hundred bucks a pop, doesnt seem too far off for someone thats driving a large suv.

im just saying all i hear is that battery technology isnt good enough to yet, and it wouldnt be economical on your electricity but at .02 cents a mile, 15k miles a year, 300 bucks a year for fuel!!! seems to me the battery they are using is pretty darn close.

i know you or me arent buying one anytime soon but they gotta be close right? just figured i would of heard about it by now.

 

[Lingerfelt 10+ year member]

yeah its like 108k but i see alot of people driving hummers even today with 4 bucks a gallon. whats a hummer go for these days like 50k? to fill that tank a couple hundred bucks a pop, doesnt seem too far off for someone thats driving a large suv.
im just saying all i hear is that battery technology isnt good enough to yet, and it wouldnt be economical on your electricity but at .02 cents a mile, 15k miles a year, 300 bucks a year for fuel!!! seems to me the battery they are using is pretty darn close.

i know you or me arent buying one anytime soon but they gotta be close right? just figured i would of heard about it by now.

An extra $20-30 per tank vs an extra $1K per month for the loan. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Honestly, I'm surprised you hadn't heard of the Tesla yet, unless I'm confusing car news with news news, it was featured on the news a couple times.

There's all sorts of alternatives available, why no one is pursuing them or attempting to make them more readily available, escapes me.

 

[lilmaniac2 5,000+ posts]

i was refering to price. if hydrogen is so plentiful why is whater so expensive when it is composed of mostly hydrogen?

name brand bottled water is expensive.

your paying for branding, advertising, and the bottle.

I buy gallon jugs of drinking water at walmart for ~.57 a bottle.

 

[Lingerfelt 10+ year member]

name brand bottled water is expensive.
your paying for branding, advertising, and the bottle.

I buy gallon jugs of drinking water at walmart for ~.57 a bottle.

And for them to truck it down from those secluded mountain springs. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[RangerRova 10+ year member]

no one has mentioned yet the $600/mo lease. And yes it's a lease.

I think this isn't to "save you money" it's to "save the environment. But it will take a couple hundreds of thousands of these cars to make any kind of impact, imo.

 

[bumpin buick 5,000+ posts]

no one has mentioned yet the $600/mo lease. And yes it's a lease.
I think this isn't to "save you money" it's to "save the environment. But it will take a couple hundreds of thousands of these cars to make any kind of impact, imo.

Anyone ever see the movie, "Who killed the Electric Car". They leased those too and look what happened

 

[Jmac 10+ year member]

Japan's third biggest automaker expects to lease out a "few dozen" units this year and about 200 units within three years.

Wow ... $600/month for a car you don't even own and not even remotely close to enough to make any sort of meaningful impact.
Seems about right for something Hollywood would get excited about.

just saw the Tesla last night on supercars. 100% electric, charges in 3 hours. site says it costs about .02 cents a mile.
0-60 ini 3.9 seconds. why is it ive never heard of it before and why cant we make more electric cars?

also saw on the news a couple weeks ago of a car that mixes water and gas. it separates the hydrogen and oxygen. its called like hydro4000. got a firebird like 50mpg!

Why not ?
- Over $100,000.

- Only seats 2.

- Full charge (when new) only gets you ~200 miles.

- Lithium Ion batteries degrade quickly in cold weather.

- Lithium Ion batteries degrade w/ each sucessive charge, meaning your range will suffer as time goes on.

- Cost to replace batteries would be immense.

yeah its like 108k but i see alot of people driving hummers even today with 4 bucks a gallon. whats a hummer go for these days like 50k? to fill that tank a couple hundred bucks a pop, doesnt seem too far off for someone thats driving a large suv.
im just saying all i hear is that battery technology isnt good enough to yet, and it wouldnt be economical on your electricity but at .02 cents a mile, 15k miles a year, 300 bucks a year for fuel!!! seems to me the battery they are using is pretty darn close.

i know you or me arent buying one anytime soon but they gotta be close right? just figured i would of heard about it by now.

It wouldn't be economical because the batteries only last UP TO 100,000 miles OR 5 years and only offer 70% capacity at approximately 50,000 miles (150 mile range).
Considering your average 12-cell lithium ion battery costs roughly $25 to manufacture and this uses 6831 lithium ion cells, I'd estimate the battery pack is roughly in the area of $10,000 (give or take a few grand) to replace every 5 years. Even at $5/gallon, that'll buy you 2000 gallons of gasoline which would be 60,000 miles or approximately 5 years worth of fuel for a car that gets 30 mpg.

Basically, it would cost the end-user the same amount of money (or more) to run, but you'd have an extremely limited range, choice, and cargo capacity.

 

[Eugenics 5,000+ posts]

find me an economic way to obtain hydrogen in a useable form and we can talk. until then i would like to introduce you to the wind powered car. wind is free you know.

 

[DDeitz 10+ year member]

/water - ~$1.00 a bottle.

X2 oh and oil 139.98 a barrel

 

[Rmsanger 10+ year member]

at least someone is making fuking progress, you can't expect for a solution to come over night. It will be baby steps and several iterations of refining a product before it can become available or general consumption.

I bet to replace petro with hydro infrastructure would only take a couple years if the country's motivation was right.

Remember we created and built a war machine to kill Hitler and Japan in under a decade.

 

[dan7532 10+ year member]

Wow ... $600/month for a car you don't even own and not even remotely close to enough to make any sort of meaningful impact.
Seems about right for something Hollywood would get excited about.

Why not ?

- Over $100,000.

- Only seats 2.

- Full charge (when new) only gets you ~200 miles.

- Lithium Ion batteries degrade quickly in cold weather.

- Lithium Ion batteries degrade w/ each sucessive charge, meaning your range will suffer as time goes on.

- Cost to replace batteries would be immense.

It wouldn't be economical because the batteries only last UP TO 100,000 miles OR 5 years and only offer 70% capacity at approximately 50,000 miles (150 mile range).

Considering your average 12-cell lithium ion battery costs roughly $25 to manufacture and this uses 6831 lithium ion cells, I'd estimate the battery pack is roughly in the area of $10,000 (give or take a few grand) to replace every 5 years. Even at $5/gallon, that'll buy you 2000 gallons of gasoline which would be 60,000 miles or approximately 5 years worth of fuel for a car that gets 30 mpg.

Basically, it would cost the end-user the same amount of money (or more) to run, but you'd have an extremely limited range, choice, and cargo capacity.

and on the PROS side of the pros/cons list ... it is a foot in the door for electric vehicles. It might spur public attention towards electric vehicles and develop a market for them. When there is a market for them, money will go into R&D to make BETTER electric vehicles, which means we may eventually get an economically feasible alternative to gasoline-powered cars. You have to start somewhere, rome wasn't built in a day.

 

[cheeto 10+ year member]

and on the PROS side of the pros/cons list ... it is a foot in the door for electric vehicles. It might spur public attention towards electric vehicles and develop a market for them. When there is a market for them, money will go into R&D to make BETTER electric vehicles, which means we may eventually get an economically feasible alternative to gasoline-powered cars. You have to start somewhere, rome wasn't built in a day.

Yeah, but, won't a world full of electric cars mean more electricity needed, in turn meaning more coal needs to be burned to make more electricity? Meaning as much, if not more, pollution?

 

[dman4486 5,000+ posts]

Yeah, but, won't a world full of electric cars mean more electricity needed, in turn meaning more coal needs to be burned to make more electricity? Meaning as much, if not more, pollution?

WTF:wow:

have you heard of a nuclear power plant? they were invented...oh....lets say A LONG @$$ TIME AGO!!!!