hey republicans

[double 07 10+ year member]

Until someone, somewhere finds an appropriate solution for the millions among us with only the skills for assembly line labor, we are going to be in trouble. I have no idea what to do with them and I don't believe those living-wage paying jobs are ever coming back.

I agree sir......The town I grew up in MS as a child had DOZENS of factories and it was booming back in the 70s and 80s....The same town today has maybe 2 of those plants left and 2 CASINOS....what a flip flop.......Sometimes I really feel ashamed of what our country has turned into.......

 

[double 07 10+ year member]

Pfft. Prove it. Who has played the best James Bond? I await your answer.
(I've actually never seen any James Bond movies, so I really have no idea. Are they good? What movie should I start with?)

 

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Pfft. Prove it. Who has played the best James Bond? I await your answer.

(I've actually never seen any James Bond movies, so I really have no idea. Are they good? What movie should I start with?)

I personally think Sean Connery made the BEST bond..........Of course I have always been a big fan of his anyway........not sure if i spelled his last name correctly

Try Goldfinger, Diamonds are forever, and You only live twice........

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I agree sir......The town I grew up in MS as a child had DOZENS of factories and it was booming back in the 70s and 80s....The same town today has maybe 2 of those plants left and 2 CASINOS....what a flip flop.......Sometimes I really feel ashamed of what our country has turned into.......

Hey dude. You do know I live not 3 hours from you. We talking about the same area.

 

[double 07 10+ year member]

Hey dude. You do know I live not 3 hours from you. We talking about the same area.

REALLY?...........wow..............

 

[husker77 10+ year member]

Until someone, somewhere finds an appropriate solution for the millions among us with only the skills for assembly line labor, we are going to be in trouble. I have no idea what to do with them and I don't believe those living-wage paying jobs are ever coming back.

The thing I can't understand is there is always talk of getting people more educated, that the factory work isn't coming back and such. My question is how can we support the population of America without those types of jobs. You need 200 factory workers to support 1 lawyer, 1 banker and 1 investment advisory. I honestly don't see how it can ever be done without those types of jobs, if someone can enlighten me that would be great. My dad has worked in a factory for close to 30 years, it has provided a good living and good benefits. I worked there 6 years, my brother worked there close to 8, they also paid his tuition to go to school in his spare time and he got some computer degree.

I honestly believe the only way this country ever gets back on it's feet is if we bring back those jobs. I think some simple tweaking of the tax code and some regulations would help, but I also feel it is every Americans DUTY to buy American every chance they get.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Oh, no! My argument is just that conservatives like to argue that lower taxes on the rich will be good for the economy and higher taxes on them will be bad. History clearly proves this wrong.
However, I will say that they both (the "both" being higher taxes & stronger economy) fall back to use of liberal economics.

And we've talked about the progressive tax rate thing for so much and gotten nowhere, I won't start down that road again, but I will mention one thing. You talk about truths being in the center of two extremes. I agree completely. However, my views aren't extreme. (I am kind of a hot head, I base my opinions off of facts, but I won't deny that.) The Democrats and Republicans don't represent two extremes. Pure socialism and pure capitalism are the two extremes. The Republicans are a lot closer to being extremists, but the Democrats are in the center. They want a mix of socialism and capitalism, which is the way to succeed. Just something to think about.

You say that history proves how higher or lower taxes will affect our economy today, but again your proof is a chart that implies a direct correlation between tax rates and the strength of the economy, while completely ignoring every other factor that affects economic strength. I provided a few examples, as has flipx.

You are correct that neither party practices their extremist views (true socialism or true capitalism), but they both lean one way or the other, while claiming the other side leans too far in their direction. Of course you, as a liberal, think democrats are centered. Just like a republican thinks they are centered. But that's irrelevant, as my comment on someone being an extremist wasn't towards democrats, it was towards you specifically. 2 years ago you thought that taxing all income over a million dollars at a 90% tax rate was fair. At least you've made some progress since then.

 

[double 07 10+ year member]

I agree Holic.........A lot of people are screaming for higher taxes and I am just wondering how many of them are in the 51% of wage earner category that pay ZERO income tax........49% of our nation (includes me) are paying the taxes for the entire 100%....Now is that FAIR?.....If they want to make a change to the tax system and it be fair then include the 51% that don't pay crap......Watch the REVOLT that comes if that plan gets spoken of in which it never will..........Most are in the mindset of higher taxes so as long as it doesn't include them........

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

The thing I can't understand is there is always talk of getting people more educated, that the factory work isn't coming back and such. My question is how can we support the population of America without those types of jobs. You need 200 factory workers to support 1 lawyer, 1 banker and 1 investment advisory. I honestly don't see how it can ever be done without those types of jobs, if someone can enlighten me that would be great. My dad has worked in a factory for close to 30 years, it has provided a good living and good benefits. I worked there 6 years, my brother worked there close to 8, they also paid his tuition to go to school in his spare time and he got some computer degree.
I honestly believe the only way this country ever gets back on it's feet is if we bring back those jobs. I think some simple tweaking of the tax code and some regulations would help, but I also feel it is every Americans DUTY to buy American every chance they get.

Tweak the tax code all you want and it's still cheaper to produce stuff with slave labor. You can add a 1000% tax to all imported goods and it's still cheaper to build iphones at FoxxConn.

 

[double 07 10+ year member]

I totally agree with Flip I don't ever see all those factory jobs of the years past coming back to this country....Overseas labor is way too cheap.....Its sad really because I remember when I was a child and through out my school years most of my family worked in factories....my grandpa, several uncles, and my mom worked at a carpet mill that is now gone........one uncle worked at a sawmill, another at a shipyard......most of those businesses now are sadly all gone......But at least that town now has 2 casinos to save the day.......

 

[cdc351jeferson 10+ year member]

I totally agree with Flip I don't ever see all those factory jobs of the years past coming back to this country....Overseas labor is way too cheap.....Its sad really because I remember when I was a child and through out my school years most of my family worked in factories....my grandpa, several uncles, and my mom worked at a carpet mill that is now gone........one uncle worked at a sawmill, another at a shipyard......most of those businesses now are sadly all gone......But at least that town now has 2 casinos to save the day.......

my moms house is in lansing mi and you can throw a rock and hit the gm plants from her house . well used to they are gone last time i went up there i looked like a nuke went off piles of concrete and twisted rebar . they rebuilt some of it outside of town but more than half of the jobs were lost to robots

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

It's not only the wages, also consider how much much hazardous waste those companies dump into the air, ground, water supply.

Next, FoxxConn has a labor camp where they keep thousands of engineers on call just in case Apple makes a design change. Do you think an American engineer would spend their lives in a labor camp?

 

[double 07 10+ year member]

Not hardly Flip.....you can't hardly get people to stay till 5 and when they are at work all they do is hang out on CAR AUDIO dot com.......... lol

 

[double 07 10+ year member]

Democracy is the art & science of running the circus from the monkey cage.......

 

[Jroo 10+ year member]

Industry and manufacturing jobs are never coming back to the states. We can’t compete with the prices they produce things and we have to be honest, the American worker is not going to work at those wages. I work in mortgage and we had homes that were in foreclosure because of Chinese drywall issues. Huge issue and back and forth litigation for years. In my head as this was going on, I kept thinking why the hell are we building homes in the US with Chinese drywall. My thinking was nowhere in the states was producing cheap drywall. I asked some of the lawyers and they basically said very few US companies could produce it at those prices. The builders were seeing the price which affects their bottom line and opt to use foreign materials. The companies that could produce it cheaply can’t find American workers that would take the wage necessary to produce it at those prices.

My dad was looking at getting his roof on the house done last year. He got quotes from legit contractors/companies and they shade tree and foreign/Mexican labor. In almost every case, the materials were the same and in many cases bought from the same place. The main difference was what people charged for their labor. The foreign and Mexican guys killed everyone else on price. It wasn’t even close in some cases. My dad is old school and wanted to give the work to local guys but couldn’t. He would show the offers he had and the contractors would basically say, I’m not going to work that cheap” and would roll out. Remember the difference was labor. To add injury to insult, the foreign guys would also have the job done faster than the other guys.

I also find it laughable that some of the issues this country faces took decades to create. You literally have years and years of policy both internationally and stateside that shaped the country you live in today. You have people that thought a president would fix them in 4 years. **** near crazy. Most presidents even say that you never see the impact of their policy until after then left office. Great example is the Bush tax cuts that have major impact on the cliff we are facing today. Those were set in place **** near 10 years ago.

 

[husker77 10+ year member]

I don't dispute any of those points. That's what I'm saying, what are people going to do? All I hear is the jobs aren't coming back, we need to educate the work force to do skilled jobs, but what skilled jobs? I just don't see a demand if you don't have manufacturing to drive it. I honestly am beginning to believe we will be a honest to God 3rd world country before long, the economy can't support itself the direction it is going.