help me out please

I just have the amp and an alpine 9805 h/u. The gains are probably not perfect. I dont know how to set those perfect and I dont have the lil tester thingy for it. I put them up a lil more than 1/4 way on the amp where it sounded better. My h/u is 4 volt if that helps any.

 
http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_amps_pages.php?page_id=30goto radioshack buy a multimeter. return multimeter later that day.
I don't see how that tutorial is of any use unless he has one of the JL audio amps. You'd need an o-scope, not a DMM, to find clipping (unless you had a handy chart, like the one JL provides). You can set your gains pretty well by ear. It's not perfect, but honestly, it really doesn't have to be. Just err on the side of caution and you'll be fine. Coming up one or two watts short of a system's potential isn't really going to be audible. Too much power, on the other hand, can burn a speaker out.

And yes, proper midbass can and will give you that chest thump. MB Quarts have done that for me, I just can't take the tweeter. And yes, two way sets. No dedicated midbass. I suppose CDTs might struggle with that, but not all speakers do. I can say for certain that Quart premiums don't need a dedicated midbass to pound your chest. And no, in two way sets, the mid woofer is not a "mid range." It's a midbass playing into mid range. Dedicated midranges are usually between 3-4 inches, sometimes smaller. You aren't going to see any 6.5 inch dedicated midranges in two-way component sets.

And no, silks aren't "for SQ." This really depends on preference and install. Many, many competitors have been very successful with metal-dome tweets. For a long time, MB Quarts' Qs ruled the roost in SQ. I don't personally like them, but I don't think that you can make a blanket statement about all metal tweets being harsh and annoying and silks being "for SQ and staging." I certainly have a preference for silks, but that's because its easier to get a smooth sound without a lot of fabrication. You could do well with metal-domes, if you were willing to do a lot of fabrication work to get them a bit off axis and mitigate some of the brightness. Not always an option, so I think it's easier to get a good sound with silks in out-of-the-box applications. But technically, metal-domes should be superior. Just takes a lot of handywork.

And I doubt his problem has anything to do with subs. Two Image Dynamics subs. Definitely not lacking in that area.

And if the problem is a dull tone, I don't think levels have much to do with it, either. If the speakers are loud and the sound is dull, it's not the levels.

There's an outside shot that it's the crossover points, but if the tweeters sound dull to his ears too, that can't be the issue if he's on passives. Well, unless CDT doesn't know how to design a passive.

I think it's worth playing around with. Why spend money if you don't have to? But something tells me the CDT sound just doesn't agree with Nebraska. He wouldn't be the first to think they sound dull.

 
I do have a feelin from what everyone has said that cdt just isn't for me. I wish I coud listen to other stuff here. Only thigns here at shops are jl and alpine though //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

 
I don't see how that tutorial is of any use unless he has one of the JL audio amps. You'd need an o-scope, not a DMM, to find clipping (unless you had a handy chart, like the one JL provides). You can set your gains pretty well by ear. It's not perfect, but honestly, it really doesn't have to be. Just err on the side of caution and you'll be fine. Coming up one or two watts short of a system's potential isn't really going to be audible. Too much power, on the other hand, can burn a speaker out.
And yes, proper midbass can and will give you that chest thump. MB Quarts have done that for me, I just can't take the tweeter. And yes, two way sets. No dedicated midbass. I suppose CDTs might struggle with that, but not all speakers do. I can say for certain that Quart premiums don't need a dedicated midbass to pound your chest. And no, in two way sets, the mid woofer is not a "mid range." It's a midbass playing into mid range. Dedicated midranges are usually between 3-4 inches, sometimes smaller. You aren't going to see any 6.5 inch dedicated midranges in two-way component sets.

And no, silks aren't "for SQ." This really depends on preference and install. Many, many competitors have been very successful with metal-dome tweets. For a long time, MB Quarts' Qs ruled the roost in SQ. I don't personally like them, but I don't think that you can make a blanket statement about all metal tweets being harsh and annoying and silks being "for SQ and staging." I certainly have a preference for silks, but that's because its easier to get a smooth sound without a lot of fabrication. You could do well with metal-domes, if you were willing to do a lot of fabrication work to get them a bit off axis and mitigate some of the brightness. Not always an option, so I think it's easier to get a good sound with silks in out-of-the-box applications. But technically, metal-domes should be superior. Just takes a lot of handywork.

And I doubt his problem has anything to do with subs. Two Image Dynamics subs. Definitely not lacking in that area.

And if the problem is a dull tone, I don't think levels have much to do with it, either. If the speakers are loud and the sound is dull, it's not the levels.

There's an outside shot that it's the crossover points, but if the tweeters sound dull to his ears too, that can't be the issue if he's on passives. Well, unless CDT doesn't know how to design a passive.

I think it's worth playing around with. Why spend money if you don't have to? But something tells me the CDT sound just doesn't agree with Nebraska. He wouldn't be the first to think they sound dull.
fine so buy an oscope at radioshack too. who cares your going to return it all anways. i guess i assume people have that stuff all lieing aroudn as i have had my whole life...

so...

i'v never gotten midbass thump in my chest.

whenever anyone says listen to my new speakers they are awesome i always take the fuse out of their sub amp. it's amazing how one's perception of their interior speakers change once the bass woofers are removed...i guess i use the wrong speakers for midbass thump...and i have listened to many systems with many different component sets too weird...any suggestions on how i would be able to get that thump? it sounds interesting. my pro 60s didn't my CDTs didn't my Alpine's didn't. my friends MBs don't but i don't know what series he has probably cheap 200 ones...i mean shit $600 boston's don't give me a thump in my chest WTF!!!

if the speakers are loud but the sound is dull you need to correctly set your EQ imo. a properly set EQ can make up for alot with a sub standard speaker...but that is just what i'v found in my experience...

oh just for clarification your saying i have no midrange woofer? just a midbass that plays a little into my midrange and tweeter?

 
Just for clarification the speakers are not as loud as I would think they could be. Loud kinda but real loud no.


That's what I was looking for . How do you have yur current components mounted ? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
so...do your speakers distort at high volume levels?

what do you have your CDTs Xover at?

also assuming your gain is set correctly teh amp makes 125rms at 14.4. which if you have your subs hitting away your batt voltage is probably dropping into the 12s. so you'd really only be throwing around 100rms or less at them. just something to think about as they can handle a steady 150 with no problem from my experience.

i got mine Xed at 80 now because my new subs are in the mail however i don't turn it up loud or they will distort...usually i have them at 100 and throw 165RMS at them and they get loud as shit.

at the end of the day and no matter what you do with your eq, amp, headunit, etc. you could always buy new speakers.

 
They are in stock door locations with tweet in stock location. They are crossed at like 90hz or somethin around there. They dotn distort that i've noticed. As far as voltage I have a digital gauge and its never dropped below 14.2 volt. It does have optima red top battery and 105 amp alt. Today it was 0 degrees out so I had 14.7 volts with stereo cranked up after truck warmed up insde.

 
Try crossing them down ( I know this is a bit extreme) to 60hz and see how they sound. If they're bottoming out, slowly raise it until they don't. See how that goes. 90 hz sounds just a touch too high for me.

Power isn't the issue. Whether they get 100 or 200 watts won't really matter. It's a barely audible difference either way. It won't have any affect on how the speakers sound. A full 100 watts can cause hearing damage over time. For the same reasons, gains are unlikely to be an issue.

 
Try crossing them down ( I know this is a bit extreme) to 60hz and see how they sound. If they're bottoming out, slowly raise it until they don't. See how that goes. 90 hz sounds just a touch too high for me.
Power isn't the issue. Whether they get 100 or 200 watts won't really matter. It's a barely audible difference either way. It won't have any affect on how the speakers sound. A full 100 watts can cause hearing damage over time. For the same reasons, gains are unlikely to be an issue.

your saying giving a speaker double the power will make no difference? or at least a barely audible one? i'm very confused.

edit: The biggest sound improvement i noticed was when i upgraded my HU. eclipse 3424 to cd5000. it sounded like complete crap at 1st with the new HU. then i adjusted the EQ and ****! They went from flat with zero midbass to sounding very...well they sound very good, alot better then they ever did with my old HU, those who ride in my car often enough agree as well...thats all i know. If you can mess with your EQ, that is if you have one, give it a shot. assuming you know what you are changing that is...

 
They are in stock door locations with tweet in stock location. They are crossed at like 90hz or somethin around there. They dotn distort that i've noticed. As far as voltage I have a digital gauge and its never dropped below 14.2 volt. It does have optima red top battery and 105 amp alt. Today it was 0 degrees out so I had 14.7 volts with stereo cranked up after truck warmed up insde.


I would try deadening and sealing up the doors before you get new speakers . You would be surprised what a difference it can make //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
your saying giving a speaker double the power will make no difference? or at least a barely audible one? i'm very confused.
Yes, that's precisely what I'm saying and I've explained it several times before in previous posts. And if your headunit made such a big improvement, something was hideously wrong with the previous one. Well, unless you needed a lot of sound processing. But this is going a bit off topic.

I'd read that you matted when you previously mentioned it, Nebraska. Honestly, it looks to me like you have everything put together fairly well. Try what I said about the crossovers and see if that helps any. I'm afraid that if it doesn't, it might just be the speakers. I can't see that you've done anything incorrectly, and I can't really see any weaknesses in the gear, either. Might just be that the gear isn't suited to your preferences.

 
Thanks everyone. I'll attempt the adjusting when I get time and if it still aint where I want then I think i'm gonna try some rainbows!

 
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