Has anyone read this yet from DRAG...

[SPL140.2 5,000+ posts]

http://audioforum.termpro.com/topic/4/3.html

Its all about "choices" my friends //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif Dont let them take that away from you!!!

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[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

http://audioforum.termpro.com/topic/4/3.html
Its all about "choices" my friends //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif Dont let them take that away from you!!!

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Money hungry industry.

Killing the sport if you ask me.

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[SPL140.2 5,000+ posts]

Money hungry industry.
Killing the sport if you ask me.

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X2!!!

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[delvryboy 5,000+ posts]

sounds like an interesting idea

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

how is it killing the sport? it was dieing on the path that it was going down. if it wasn't for bass race the numbers would have been really low as far as competitors at a 6 location finals last year. The big companies can help support the shows and actually make them shows once again (fun) as well as bring the common retailer back into having shows. Has 0 to do with the quality of a product and levels the playing field for the average competitor. from the looks of it there would be no specialized equipment allowed in the basic classes which is a good thing. who is to say once the numbers of competitors gets back up that they wont have those "extreme street" classes again?

 

[iagrdshaka 5,000+ posts]

this is why I'm moving more toward HT //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

 

[SPL140.2 5,000+ posts]

how is it killing the sport? it was dieing on the path that it was going down. if it wasn't for bass race the numbers would have been really low as far as competitors at a 6 location finals last year. The big companies can help support the shows and actually make them shows once again (fun) as well as bring the common retailer back into having shows. Has 0 to do with the quality of a product and levels the playing field for the average competitor. from the looks of it there would be no specialized equipment allowed in the basic classes which is a good thing. who is to say once the numbers of competitors gets back up that they wont have those "extreme street" classes again?

One way is taking choices away from competitors. If a new blood comes into the sport and he had a tight budget and purchased a non sponsered sub or amp he automatically gets bumped in class. I can see a spike on mainstream products because of advertising/promoting.... But really overpaying on a sub by $100-200 bucks is rediculous as well as paying nearly $50-80 for an hour at a retail store for installations.

New blood competitors sometimes dont even know the rules of drag. He/She may come to an event for the first time with a small budget system and just because that person purchased a non supported mainstream product will automatically be bumped in class. Probably get spanked and never show up to another competition again.

With all the costs of points chasing you would think a money prize at the end would be available, I mean a trophey is nice but there should be more to keep competitors to stay in the competition lanes.

Another way to keep the sport going is having prizes at small events, Im sorry I have never been a long time fan of a $.10 piece of paper to give out for rankings in events or some cheap $1 doller trophey especially when registration fees are nearly $20-30 dollars for a single event. Ive held events locally purchased almost $400 dollers worth of kustum shirts to give out to the winners and still made a profit, it wasnt huge but still enough to host another event. If wayne would lower the costs of retail memberships and not charge so much for holding events more retailers would host them //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif I know around here there is hardly any big key events because of the price it would cost to host it. Big events brings in new blood as well as spectators!!!

these are just my thoughts my whole argument upon this topic is CHOICE!!! Why do people by internet brands --->Quality, Customer Support, and $ in which mainstream companys lack!!! Again dont let them take your choices away from you!!!

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[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

What if I read it in drag, does that count? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Why do people by internet brands --->Quality, Customer Support, and $ in which mainstream companys lack!!!

That's not always true.

But really overpaying on a sub by $100-200 bucks is rediculous as well as paying nearly $50-80 for an hour at a retail store for installations.

Overpaying? What if someone wanted to buy a DLS product, for example, and wanted to make sure that they weren't getting a knockoff (as is common online for DLS). Or they wanted an actual place to return the item if something breaks. And as for installation, some people are just better at tuning things than building things, for them paying a competent installer that rate may be totally justified.

 

[SPL140.2 5,000+ posts]

What if I read it in drag, does that count? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif


That's not always true.

Overpaying? What if someone wanted to buy a DLS product, for example, and wanted to make sure that they weren't getting a knockoff (as is common online for DLS). Or they wanted an actual place to return the item if something breaks. And as for installation, some people are just better at tuning things than building things, for them paying a competent installer that rate may be totally justified.

I agree thats not always the case but for the most part it is.

Again it all boils down to choices, If that consumer wanted to buy online he should. If that consumer was worried about those things you mentioned go to a retailer but it should be the consumers choice. I agree paying an installer those prices too if the installer was very good and reputable, but how many shops dont know what the heck there doing and do cheap fast installs and charge an arm and 3 legs to do it??

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[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

I think that it would be a bad decision to limit the classes as he indicated in the first post (only post I read), only allowing "Competition Grade" equipment (i.e. Internet brands) into the Extreme Class (if I'm reading that right...but either way they were excluded from the street class).

Why ? Well, that would essentially cut the nuts off of the little guy. Though I don't have any specific data, my general observation would be that a large number of "internet" brands get a large portion of their sales from competition use and/or competition-driven advertising; i.e. Joe off the street attends a DB Drag competition and sees someone using a Fi BTL in a street class with great results. That might get Joe interested in the brand, research and eventually purchase a Fi product.

How many of these large mainstream manufacturers started off as large mainstream companies ? How many of them just sprung up one day available nationwide in hundreds of retail locations ? None. Hell even JL, the stereotypical "mainstream" brand, started off as a small mail-order product line....essentially equivalent to today's internet companies. And look at what happened to RE. Started off as a small house brand for a buildhouse, got some good recognition both online and in competition and grew to become a retail brand.

Also, how is it decided what level of retail distribution or mass production does a product progress from "competition grade" (i.e. small non-retail presence) to "consumer grade" (retail) ? Number of dealers ? Percentage of retail sales to direct sales ?

If a manufacturer wants to have a better presence and better return for their investment, then they need to produce products that obtain results and are priced competitively in the market, rather than look to the independent organizations to cut back their rules (and effectively cut out their market competition) to allow them to prosper. Look at what Pioneer has done! They are a highly "retailed" mass-market company who had the product quality and marketing strategy to help create one of the loudest vehicles in the world. They didn't ask anyone to cater the rules to their needs in order to accomplish this. If other mainstream manufacturer's want equivalent results, then they need to follow someone like Pioneer's lead and come up with an equivalent strategy.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

One way is taking choices away from competitors. If a new blood comes into the sport and he had a tight budget and purchased a non sponsered sub or amp he automatically gets bumped in class. I can see a spike on mainstream products because of advertising/promoting.... But really overpaying on a sub by $100-200 bucks is rediculous as well as paying nearly $50-80 for an hour at a retail store for installations.
New blood competitors sometimes dont even know the rules of drag. He/She may come to an event for the first time with a small budget system and just because that person purchased a non supported mainstream product will automatically be bumped in class. Probably get spanked and never show up to another competition again.

With all the costs of points chasing you would think a money prize at the end would be available, I mean a trophey is nice but there should be more to keep competitors to stay in the competition lanes.

Another way to keep the sport going is having prizes at small events, Im sorry I have never been a long time fan of a $.10 piece of paper to give out for rankings in events or some cheap $1 doller trophey especially when registration fees are nearly $20-30 dollars for a single event. Ive held events locally purchased almost $400 dollers worth of kustum shirts to give out to the winners and still made a profit, it wasnt huge but still enough to host another event. If wayne would lower the costs of retail memberships and not charge so much for holding events more retailers would host them //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif I know around here there is hardly any big key events because of the price it would cost to host it. Big events brings in new blood as well as spectators!!!

these are just my thoughts my whole argument upon this topic is CHOICE!!! Why do people by internet brands --->Quality, Customer Support, and $ in which mainstream companys lack!!! Again dont let them take your choices away from you!!!

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they couldnt even keep full brackets in street classes.....how was the sport growing?

 

[Trey803 5,000+ posts]

just b/c the big name companies have this known bad effect on their products b/c they are big names doesnt mean they dont make a product every now and then that kicks ass

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

they couldnt even keep full brackets in street classes.....how was the sport growing?

With gas where it is and the economy in the tank, I doubt anything would really make the sport explode right now.

 

[SPL140.2 5,000+ posts]

they couldnt even keep full brackets in street classes.....how was the sport growing?

this is why other organizations came up with rookie classess. For a newbie who would want to compete against a veteran competitor who has stayed in street class for years and get there but spanked in the lanes by 15db?? We all have been there thats why people dont compete anymore!! DB drag needs to put in a class for newbies where the rules arnt biased upon on the names on the equipment the competitors chose but rather have rules that are fair just for newbies!!

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[DBDRAGGUY 10+ year member]

If the idea is to make the sport grow, then you need to simplify it. Not complicate matters with limiting equipment that can be used. If you want to fix the street classes limit the runs of power wire and for make fuses mandatory. Cap the note that can be played at 50 hz. As far as bringing the retail shops back into the mix, they created competitions and now the competitions have outgrown them. Why would a shop owner host a comp, if they are not going to sell more products as a result. If your shops sells Kicker and DD dominates your show, it just doesn't make good business sense. I think it is too late to bring the shops back into the mix. If we want to save the sport we need to take a new approach to hosting shows.

 

[Joe Mamma 10+ year member]

i think it is the best thing that wayne could do, because lets face it, db drag has been going downhill pretty bad lately.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

If the idea is to make the sport grow, then you need to simplify it. Not complicate matters with limiting equipment that can be used. If you want to fix the street classes limit the runs of power wire and for make fuses mandatory. Cap the note that can be played at 50 hz. As far as bringing the retail shops back into the mix, they created competitions and now the competitions have outgrown them. Why would a shop owner host a comp, if they are not going to sell more products as a result. If your shops sells Kicker and DD dominates your show, it just doesn't make good business sense. I think it is too late to bring the shops back into the mix. If we want to save the sport we need to take a new approach to hosting shows.

i think you have that back wards about who out grew who where when and why. shops used to hold more shows with that came manufacturer support and more money put into the shows to make them wanted to be seen by spectators

 

[DBDRAGGUY 10+ year member]

i think you have that back wards about who out grew who where when and why. shops used to hold more shows with that came manufacturer support and more money put into the shows to make them wanted to be seen by spectators

Your right, I should have said grown apart.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Your right, I should have said grown apart.

that is about as accurate of a statement one could make!

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

I will never compete because I cannot devote the amount of money it takes to be competitive locally, let alone nationally. Now say I can only buy certain retail chain products which can sometimes give lower performance/dollar than an internet brand I have access to? Why would I spend more money for less product just to compete?

Tell me where this is getting better again? This might be better for the industry in some way but for me, the cheap bastard that I am, I don't see this as a step closer in me wanting to compete.

For the industry's sake, I hope that everybody sees it differently than I do.