guns to have or not have

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

If a gun was designed to be aethetically pleasing...like art, would you still consider its primary purpose for killing? Artists design vases for the purpose of art, not for their primary purpose of holding flowers....

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

Incorrect, Anything that could instantly kill someone should be respected.
You respect what they can do and act accordingly ie. Never point at anything you don't intend to shoot. Keep stored in a safe manner. Making sure all who have access to guns are fully knowledgeable in handling them. And when not to.

As to America's fascination with them i think it's because of the country's origins. A maverick group landed in a strange land had to fight to take it, Fight to keep it and been fighting ever since. My great grandfather was a hanging judge in colorado. He brought more than one criminal in slung over the back of a horse. My Grandfather was a sheriff in Seattle. It's passed on through the generations.

The respect is a derivative of the fear.

The country is a long ways from its origins in many respects, which is why I don't understand the obsession with guns. Americans cling to the second amendment but very few others as they trample all over their constitution. The threat the US poses to the rest of the world far exceeds the threat the world poses to the US, but American exceptionalism has taught you otherwise.

Almost every country and every region has been involved in some fight for land. It is weird to read a post that sounds like you were heroes protecting land that you stole from the natives of North America.

edit: I use "you" to specifically reference your argument. We in Canada, of course, did the same thing to the natives.

 

[its_bacon12 10+ year member]

Off topic, but have you noticed the same people have been involved in these kinds of arguments lately? It's kind of funny how you can look at all these threads and piece together one of our complete personal views on nearly everything lol..

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

If a gun was designed to be aethetically pleasing...like art, would you still consider its primary purpose for killing? Artists design vases for the purpose of art, not for their primary purpose of holding flowers....

Now that is something to think on.

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

Off topic, but have you noticed the same people have been involved in these kinds of arguments lately? It's kind of funny how you can look at all these threads and piece together one of our complete personal views on nearly everything lol..

Or you could have an in depth view at a totally fabricated personality //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Almost every country and every region has been involved in some fight for land. It is weird to read a post that sounds like you were heroes protecting land that you stole from the natives of North America.

His point was, while we may have stolen it from the Native Americans, we still had to defend it from the British.

 

[its_bacon12 10+ year member]

If a gun was designed to be aethetically pleasing...like art, would you still consider its primary purpose for killing? Artists design vases for the purpose of art, not for their primary purpose of holding flowers....

Now if I'm not mistaken, this has been done before.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Now that is something to think on.

I venture to guess that some gun collectors find some guns to be pleasing, or to be intertwined with a story in American's history, etc where the value of the gun is not in home protection, but the intangible merits attributed to the object.

 

[its_bacon12 10+ year member]

I venture to guess that some gun collectors find some guns to be pleasing, or to be intertwined with a story in American's history, etc where the value of the gun is not in home protection, but the intangible merits attributed to the object.

I second that. Although, again, is only speculative until you ask someone who does collect guns like this.

 

[alvitae 10+ year member]

The respect is a derivative of the fear.
The country is a long ways from its origins in many respects, which is why I don't understand the obsession with guns. Americans cling to the second amendment but very few others as they trample all over their constitution. The threat the US poses to the rest of the world far exceeds the threat the world poses to the US, but American exceptionalism has taught you otherwise.

Almost every country and every region has been involved in some fight for land. It is weird to read a post that sounds like you were heroes protecting land that you stole from the natives of North America.

edit: I use "you" to specifically reference your argument. We in Canada, of course, did the same thing to the natives.

The respect is a derivative of common sense. for the same reason I don't put my hand in front of the saw blade when I am building a speaker box.

As to your observation on clinging to guns while the other rights are whittled away it is becaues most people who own guns know instinctively that that will/could be the last line of defense when all else is lost.

I didn't mean to make our taking of the country sound heroic. Just factual. It took guns to do that. It also took guns to eat as veganism wasn't so big back then Yes we did take it for the natives. As did most every other country.

 

[kaimana 10+ year member]

The primary purpose of a pencil is to leave rub lead on materials. The primary purpose of a baseball bat is to hit a bat. As you identified, any item on the planet could be used for any number of secondary purposes, but I don't see anyone here talking about using the butt of their gun as a hammer..

I see what you're getting at but the primary purpose of anything is what ever the person is using it for....

Take your pencil example....if i'm writing a paper, the pencils primary purpose is to write with...the second i decide that i'm going to use it to stab someones eyes out, the primary purpose shifts...Purpose is something humans give to things....

Same can be said with guns....The second someone decides they are going to collect them for show, the primary purpose shifts away from inflicting damage...

 

[its_bacon12 10+ year member]

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http://www.wsbtv.com/news/18485435/detail.html#-

 

[Pyro_By_Nature 5,000+ posts]

Purpose is perception.

 

[Eugenics 5,000+ posts]

Certainly you have a right to possess guns. What I don't understand is why you're so protective and drawn to them. You say that the only way someone could take them from you is to pry them from your cold dead hands (very original, by the way). Why is that? What is it about guns that possesses you so?
To me, it is an abnormal obsession with something potentially dangerous, which makes the obsession even more abnormal.

Whats unsettling to me, is the absurd and flawed pretenses on which anti-gun advocates operate with.

I own my gun because i enjoy the craftsmanship involved and enjoy shooting it. I keep it with the hope that its very presence alone will keep me from ever having to use it.

 

[Liquid Bass 10+ year member]

Either way, this is straying from my original argument. If you need a gun to feel protected (as opposed to any other weapon), then fine. Own a gun. Why would you own several? Further, why do you even need a gun that will kill someone? If protection is your only concern, then you only need something capable of incapacitating them. No AK's required.....

you sir are a dumbass. there are probably around 30 or 40 guns in my house. and they all have different uses. some are for different kinds of hunting, some are for target shooting, and some are for blowing somebody to hell if need be. if somebody pulls a gun on anybody in my family, (even the girls) they are done. oh and i like having guns because when i have one in my hand i feel powerful, and safe. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif