Everything serves it's own purpose and just because a group of people say and/or think something is "useless" doesn't really make it so. i agree with you in some points as far as a beefier electrical system will NEVER hurt anyone at all. kicker amps are pretty efficient but if said member wants to drop the cash and time to install an extra battery to run a single amp.........more power (literally) to him (and the amp). i do understand what you're saying and where you're coming from but don't agree 100% with all of it (obviously). LoL!! point well taken and just because i don't have a list of every single component in my system,and-or brag about my stuff, what i've installed....doesn't mean i have an 8" powered bazooka in my hatch and know nothing. i'm sure i'll get thrashed for this now but just go buy the battery already!!!! didn't i say kinetic? if not then go get the gel cell-optima. if you're not competing then go with what will work....hell, daisy chain 4 of them ba$tards together and get another 2 or 3 of the 2500's //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif