government approves $700 billion bailout plan

[IlluminatiDVDs]

I don't think you are aware of my beliefs. Just do a search of Hitler/Stalin on this forum and you will see where I stand.

Gotcha.

 

[Rich B 5,000+ posts]

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

Lawlers! Really isn't funny................................ok, a little.

 

[Rich B 5,000+ posts]

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

That may be true but still better than giving 700 bill to some banks that failed because of their mistakes.........and is that 350 million taxpayers or does that include non tax payers? I suggest spliiting it to the taxpayers themselves.

our economy will still collapse. that's a horrible idea.

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

Bro, ever since the day you could walk... you've been exposed to a certain system of beliefs that are false. It is not really a conspiracy that instead of forming our own minds, the Government was there to assist us every step of the way.
If you do not believe, more than reject it, do a google search for John Tailor Gatto or Prussian educational system.

I am not telling you what to believe, that is up to you and what freedom is all about. Just do your own independent research and form your own conclusions.

How do you explain to somebody... "You're more than likely wrong because the Governmental infrastructure, since the time you would walk up right, has been trying to steal your brain from you."

They want you to be small and restrained, in one spot for life. That way you are a debtor, tax payer, and wage earner. I.E. - Slave.

That's basically all the television is. It is a tool for the big corporations, government, and elite to form your thoughts and beliefs.
Most of the general public is operating on beliefs they acquired in this reality. 99% have not stopped to ask themselves, "Are these my beliefs or are these the beliefs I was force fed in this reality?"

Unfortunately, that is inevitable anyway. Each and every workers 401(k) will likely be drained by 2016. Either through market decline or inflation. They're out to get everything we have. I saw Suze Orman on TV yesterday preaching, "You need to get out of debt... you need to maximize your contribution to your 401(k)... and live below your means."
I mean it sounds like good advice, but if you contribute to your 401(k), you are subject to a market that's securities are way over inflated because of a mandatory stock purchase plan by worker's employers. Publicly traded stocks are only so high in price because everyone was forced to jump into them in order to invest for their retirement. The real underlying value of these securities will eventually even themselves out and there will be a huge sell off or panic.

We're facing major financial problems in this country that most likely will not be solved easily: Social Security going bankrupt, Medicare going bankrupt, 401(k)'s about to disappear due to a bear market, consumers sinking in debt that they do not have to ability to pay back, all forms of production going over seas, more bankruptcy filings than ever before, more consumers in foreclosure than ever before, and more frightening than all the above is hyper inflation.

Hyper inflation is the most frightening of all. This is going to impoverish anyone without real hard assets or a system of production. Anyone who believes a currency has value will be wiped out. The idea and belief will have the working class working harder and harder until they're so exhausted from trying to keep up that there will a be revolution. All of the above do not matter if you do not have a strong currency. What is a check from Social Security going to matter if you cannot buy a single thing with it?

You have to use both accounts to get your point across?

 

[miker 5,000+ posts]

Like who? Okay, promise me that you will read out loud the names of every economist listed in the link and then I will get back to you on the rest of your question:
http://faculty.chicagogsb.edu/john.cochrane/research/Papers/mortgage_protest.htm

I don't agree with the fairness point. This is being used to help us, which is why we pay taxes, to benefit the country as a whole.

But maybe, it would have been better to hold out for a few weeks and come up with something better? We won't know until it's all said and done. The fact is, something needed to happen and this was the first thing they came up with.

 

[redrider13 10+ year member]

aww shit!

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

I don't agree with the fairness point. This is being used to help us, which is why we pay taxes, to benefit the country as a whole.

But maybe, it would have been better to hold out for a few weeks and come up with something better? We won't know until it's all said and done. The fact is, something needed to happen and this was the first thing they came up with.

i agree. we weren't very far from economic collapse though, so it had to be fairly quick. they better start planning now to do this with credit card companies as well. we're in big trouble there too.

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

What do you mean better off without them?

I mean that based on my personal observations the soldiers who were forced to stay were no longer an assett, but a liability. I think that they should have been allowed to leave the military once thier enlistment was up because forcing them to stay basically ruined them.

Now I admit that I do not know what that would do to the numbers, so my belief is somewhat based on ignorance. However, I do not recall a single soldier who I knew to have been "stop lossed" who was really productive.

Just one guy's opinion based on limited, but first hand, information.

 

[bumpweLL.nYc 10+ year member]

Meh, I am pissed too, but what can us peons do about it? Nothing but ***** and moan about it.

I think the same way, gets me depressed at times. I hope sometime in the future there is a march to White house steps. I imagine RATM shuting it down like Wall st. and Eminem love him or hate him he can really stick it. if there is a rally will you be there?

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

I mean that based on my personal observations the soldiers who were forced to stay were no longer an assett, but a liability. I think that they should have been allowed to leave the military once thier enlistment was up because forcing them to stay basically ruined them.
Now I admit that I do not know what that would do to the numbers, so my belief is somewhat based on ignorance. However, I do not recall a single soldier who I knew to have been "stop lossed" who was really productive.

Just one guy's opinion based on limited, but first hand, information.

I hear you there. I was under the impression that the people that get stop-lossed where the good soliders who just didn't want to go back and their tour was over. Well then the main guy still wants you on his team of course and pulls strings to put you back in with out you knowing till the very end.

I can see why some people go AWOL, lol!

Should watch stop-loss if you already haven't. Also I agree, they shouldn't let certain people back as it has fubar their judgement and can't really do any good.

I think the same way, gets me depressed at times. I hope sometime in the future there is a march to White house steps. I imagine RATM shuting it down like Wall st. and Eminem love him or hate him he can really stick it. if there is a rally will you be there?

No, I will not be...........unless somebody pays for my gas to get there, lol! Or it is right around the corner, to bad Washington is like 6 hours from me.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

before we organize enough as a people, nothing will ever happen. i suppose when we're all living in homes with no power, and standing in bread lines, people will then decide to take action. we've really turned it to a cry baby society, expecting government to handle everything. pretty soon a government employee will be in my restroom holding my dick so i don't accidentally drip on the seat.

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

as long as she's hot

 

[konechiwa 10+ year member]

This country is in a bad state...